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#201 10 years ago
Centurian128;5164741Could you please tell me where you are getting you're information on Revan?

Wookieepedia and other cannon sources. Wookieepedia is a bit sketchy though as others can edit it and can be opinionated. Just taking wookieepedia into account, look at revans 'oage' and at his powers section. Cannonly he did not know mos of the powers he could learn in the game, thats game mechanics for you. cannon sources are the way to go, it's what they ACTUALLY knew or did




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Thanks, I was just wondering. Just judging by the page length comparison this seems like an invalid argument. Considering how much we know about Darth Vader and how little we know about Darth Revan, that is. It just seems to me that you can't get a definitive answer based on the current amount of information.




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Centurian128;5166259Thanks, I was just wondering. Just judging by the page length comparison this seems like an invalid argument. Considering how much we know about Darth Vader and how little we know about Darth Revan, that is. It just seems to me that you can't get a definitive answer based on the current amount of information.

Well by that logic then vader is definately the stronger. If there is not much documented on Revan then we can only take what he DID know into accoutn and if we weigh that to what we know on Vader-Vader is the clear winner. We can't talk 'what ifs'




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#204 10 years ago

In my opinion I think Revan is equal to Vader both force wise and saber wise. No more. No less.




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#205 10 years ago
Codyy;5170282In my opinion I think Revan is equal to Vader both force wise and saber wise. No more. No less.

Well...no offence but you can't really make or prove that statement without some form of evidence...




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#206 10 years ago
Granyaski;5170720Well...no offence but you can't really make or prove that statement without some form of evidence...

Was running low on time when i posted it lol. Reason is because they are both exceptional saberists. As said in novels and gameplay. Revan may not be as good as Anakin from Clone wars. But probably as good as Vader is. Both are great strategists in combat but Revan's strategies imo would be better than Vaders. I mean his strategies is greater than Cassus Fetts even. Though Revan is faster Vader is stronger and has amazing saber ability even after he was turned into mr roboto. Revan may be good but not as good as vader. But his speed would give him the advantage he needs to be on par with him. Force wise...both are said to be amazing. Vader would of been even better than Palpatine if he hate himself so much. His problem to why he wasn't getting as powerful as he was supposed to be was because of willpower. He did not think what he did was right but thought there was no turning back. He regretted everything but he thought it was too late. For that reason I think he is on par in terms of force power with Revan.

Revan may be able to shoot lightning (If he did) But Vader is still able to take it and dish out his own power. From what I read from the books and gameplay dialogue...I think they are both even in terms of force and saber combat. My opinion anyway.




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Codyy;5170853Was running low on time when i posted it lol. Reason is because they are both exceptional saberists. As said in novels and gameplay. Revan may not be as good as Anakin from Clone wars. But probably as good as Vader is

Ah...remember that force and lightsaber combat came to a peak way after revan's time. Also remember that Vader was a dueling MASTER. He was a complete master of formV and even adpated it in a brutal style giving him an almost unbeatable edge in combat. Also Vader is MUCH more powerful than Anakin......don't know if thats what you were saying but thats what I interpret.

. Both are great strategists in combat but Revan's strategies imo would be better than Vaders. I mean his strategies is greater than Cassus Fetts even. Though Revan is faster Vader is stronger and has amazing saber ability even after he was turned into mr roboto. Revan may be good but not as good as vader. But his speed would give him the advantage he needs to be on par with him. Force wise...both are said to be amazing. Vader would of been even better than Palpatine if he hate himself so much. His problem to why he wasn't getting as powerful as he was supposed to be was because of willpower. He did not think what he did was right but thought there was no turning back. He regretted everything but he thought it was too late. For that reason I think he is on par in terms of force power with Revan.

Strategies are irrelevant....this topic has been readily discussed already. tactics do not play a large part in 1 on 1 battles as you use the strategies learnt from your forms. Even so vader was considered a BRILLIANT stratergist having much experience from the clone wars and Galactic Civil war with the rebels.... Also you CANNOT call Vader slow....he was an exceptional duelist, surprisingly agile which is shown on the Comclave on Kessel as well as when he fought the ressurected Darth Maul. Force power Vader just wins. Look at cannon force abilities. vader was a master of telekenisis(spelling) as well as force push and blaster deflection with his hands. Revan could produce a weak force storm and wirlwind....along with the other core abilities. When people say that revan was a master of the force is merely an opinion as well as game mechanics and so are irrelivant. Even then revan was outdated with his techniques and force power...

Revan may be able to shoot lightning (If he did) But Vader is still able to take it and dish out his own power. From what I read from the books and gameplay dialogue...I think they are both even in terms of force and saber combat. My opinion anyway.

Revan could use force lightning yes...and vader was unable to utitlise it after the loss of much of his bodies following the duel with Obi-Wan kenobi and so the loss of much of his force potential. Vader's suit also offered defence against lightsabers and other weapons such as when he was forced to stab through himself in order to end the 'even' duel with Maul. His telekenesis was exceptional, able to through large objects without moving a mauscle and even under great pain and stress such as the conclave on Kessel when he flung a lightsaber into one of the Jedi's even after losing his arm! Vader would win....He is one of the greatest Sith Lords to ever exists. feared for his power and brutality. Revan has been 'boosted' mainly due to the KOTOR games.




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Granyaski;5170935Ah...remember that force and lightsaber combat came to a peak way after revan's time. Also remember that Vader was a dueling MASTER. He was a complete master of formV and even adpated it in a brutal style giving him an almost unbeatable edge in combat. Also Vader is MUCH more powerful than Anakin......don't know if thats what you were saying but thats what I interpret.

Strategies are irrelevant....this topic has been readily discussed already. tactics do not play a large part in 1 on 1 battles as you use the strategies learnt from your forms. Even so vader was considered a BRILLIANT stratergist having much experience from the clone wars and Galactic Civil war with the rebels.... Also you CANNOT call Vader slow....he was an exceptional duelist, surprisingly agile which is shown on the Comclave on Kessel as well as when he fought the ressurected Darth Maul. Force power Vader just wins. Look at cannon force abilities. vader was a master of telekenisis(spelling) as well as force push and blaster deflection with his hands. Revan could produce a weak force storm and wirlwind....along with the other core abilities. When people say that revan was a master of the force is merely an opinion as well as game mechanics and so are irrelivant. Even then revan was outdated with his techniques and force power... Revan could use force lightning yes...and vader was unable to utitlise it after the loss of much of his bodies following the duel with Obi-Wan kenobi and so the loss of much of his force potential. Vader's suit also offered defence against lightsabers and other weapons such as when he was forced to stab through himself in order to end the 'even' duel with Maul. His telekenesis was exceptional, able to through large objects without moving a mauscle and even under great pain and stress such as the conclave on Kessel when he flung a lightsaber into one of the Jedi's even after losing his arm! Vader would win....He is one of the greatest Sith Lords to ever exists. feared for his power and brutality. Revan has been 'boosted' mainly due to the KOTOR games.

True but what i meant by vader is slow is because of the fact that he has trouble with fast enemies. Such as Galen and Maul when he used Jar'kai. He is much slower because of his mechanical parts. THAT is what I was talking about. Also don't forget Vader incorporated some Juyo's style into his Shien/Djem so. ^_^.

Also Some saberstyles may be outdated" but that does not change the skill people have with them. What i mean is they still had saber techniques back in the day. weather or not they are outdated compared to the styles of the clone wars and up doesn't change the skill that person had with the saber style. If they were really good then it should not matter if it is an old style. If someone is a true master of it it should be up to par with the "newer" styles.

There have been many situations where jedi from all time lines were beaten in a up close saber duel from those who weren't even jedi or sith. Or strong in the force. Just knew how to fight.

Also what i meant about anakin is the fact that he was a better saberist at the time vader was FIRST transformed. By the time the beginning for force unleashed happen (when galen was a kid) Anakin would be on par with him in terms of force and saber combat. Later in the years (when galen was older) He was stronger and more powerful than anakin. Reason I said he wasn't as powerful at first was because of the reasons i said before. He got stronger of course. I'm just saying.

Also Vader was never as good as he was during the clone wars. Why? Well because of the sole reason because he was equal to darth maul. Darth maul is good of course. Not saying otherwise. But the fact remains is that him and maul were equal in saber combat untill maul switched to Jar'kai. Then he was dominating vader. Plus seeing as Dooku is a heck of a lot better than maul in saber combat it is safe to say that he would be able to school vader as well. So vader isn't exactly one of the best saberists to ever exist anymore. THAT is why I say Revan is equal to him.




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Codyy;5170945True but what i meant by vader is slow is because of the fact that he has trouble with fast enemies. Such as Galen and Maul when he used Jar'kai. He is much slower because of his mechanical parts. THAT is what I was talking about. Also don't forget Vader incorporated some Juyo's style into his Shien/Djem so. ^_^.

Where as that is true Revan was never known to master any lightsaber forms and still it is debated at what forms he even knew! We can only interpret from cinematics from KOTOR.

Also Some saberstyles may be outdated" but that does not change the skill people have with them. What i mean is they still had saber techniques back in the day. weather or not they are outdated compared to the styles of the clone wars and up doesn't change the skill that person had with the saber style. If they were really good then it should not matter if it is an old style. If someone is a true master of it it should be up to par with the "newer" styles.

Again revan was never noted for his lightsaber skill and he never mastered a form like Vader.

There have been many situations where jedi from all time lines were beaten in a up close saber duel from those who weren't even jedi or sith. Or strong in the force. Just knew how to fight.

True...especially with Boba, Durge and perhaps grievous to an extent. However Revan WAS a Jedi and a Sith so it is irrelevant. If anything it helps my point of view as vader was extremely experienced fighter and a brital one at that making his adpation of force 5 even more deadly.

Also what i meant about anakin is the fact that he was a better saberist at the time vader was FIRST transformed. By the time the beginning for force unleashed happen (when galen was a kid) Anakin would be on par with him in terms of force and saber combat. Later in the years (when galen was older) He was stronger and more powerful than anakin. Reason I said he wasn't as powerful at first was because of the reasons i said before. He got stronger of course. I'm just saying.

Still makes no sense. He did not lose his saber knoledge when he became Vader so....he was on parr wih himself when he first got turned into Vader and then grew even stronger. So Vader in force unleashes could beat Vader in EP3.

Also Vader was never as good as he was during the clone wars. Why? Well because of the sole reason because he was equal to darth maul. Darth maul is good of course. Not saying otherwise. But the fact remains is that him and maul were equal in saber combat untill maul switched to Jar'kai. Then he was dominating vader. Plus seeing as Dooku is a heck of a lot better than maul in saber combat it is safe to say that he would be able to school vader as well. So vader isn't exactly one of the best saberists to ever exist anymore. THAT is why I say Revan is equal to him.

Dooku was not better than Maul in saber combat. Maul was considered an extremely capable saberist, fully mastering the doubled edged blade and took on Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan(spprentice) Who even then were considered very powerful at their level(master and apprentice) Maul was losing at the start of the battle...even getting his blade cut in 2. Only when he turned to Jar'Kai as you stated did he allow his speed to outdo Vader. Maul had mastered jar'kai as far as Sidious had-making him exceptionally skillfull which is why vader had a hard time. Revan was an average saberist at best. He never mastered a form nor did he know them all (canon info). vader had trouble with Maul yes but Vader defeated many other GREAT opponents. You CANNOT say that Dooku would beat Vader as even as Anakin(his much weaker self) he beat him as an apprentice!!! He then became a much more skillfull Sith Lord! If you want to see vader's true skill read up on the conclave on Kessel! He took on 12 Jedi's! vader beats Revan-he has better resilience and force powers(even with lowered potential afetr the mustafar duel). His lightsaber combat was more modern, brutal and mastered than revan's. vader knew all the lightsaber forms and had mastered 2! Revan didn't even know them all nor master any.




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Granyaski;5171579Where as that is true Revan was never known to master any lightsaber forms and still it is debated at what forms he even knew! We can only interpret from cinematics from KOTOR.

Again revan was never noted for his lightsaber skill and he never mastered a form like Vader.

True...especially with Boba, Durge and perhaps grievous to an extent. However Revan WAS a Jedi and a Sith so it is irrelevant. If anything it helps my point of view as vader was extremely experienced fighter and a brital one at that making his adpation of force 5 even more deadly.

Still makes no sense. He did not lose his saber knoledge when he became Vader so....he was on parr wih himself when he first got turned into Vader and then grew even stronger. So Vader in force unleashes could beat Vader in EP3.

Dooku was not better than Maul in saber combat. Maul was considered an extremely capable saberist, fully mastering the doubled edged blade and took on Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan(spprentice) Who even then were considered very powerful at their level(master and apprentice) Maul was losing at the start of the battle...even getting his blade cut in 2. Only when he turned to Jar'Kai as you stated did he allow his speed to outdo Vader. Maul had mastered jar'kai as far as Sidious had-making him exceptionally skillfull which is why vader had a hard time. Revan was an average saberist at best. He never mastered a form nor did he know them all (canon info). vader had trouble with Maul yes but Vader defeated many other GREAT opponents. You CANNOT say that Dooku would beat Vader as even as Anakin(his much weaker self) he beat him as an apprentice!!! He then became a much more skillfull Sith Lord! If you want to see vader's true skill read up on the conclave on Kessel! He took on 12 Jedi's! vader beats Revan-he has better resilience and force powers(even with lowered potential afetr the mustafar duel). His lightsaber combat was more modern, brutal and mastered than revan's. vader knew all the lightsaber forms and had mastered 2! Revan didn't even know them all nor master any.

As YOU stated. We don't know if Revan had or had not mastered any forms. He could have. He beat Malak who defeated a jedi master that IS skilled and a master in saber forms aka Kavar. Kavar knew Jar'kai Ataru, Shien, Niman and Juyo. (He used and taught in combat. There are things that are ment to be game only but THIS isn't. This is canon) as well as advanced form forms. Malak defeated him but Kavar managed to survive their fight (never was explained). Kavar is a jedi master and knows many saber forms. Probably mastered them to. Malak defeated him and in turn Revan defeated him. You saying Revan was an average saberist at best is an exaggeration. Yea many people over exaggerate him. But a lot of people DE-exaggerate him as well. Making him sound as if he was nothing. Yet he had the power to use the star forge (when he was a sith lord before he was betrayed by malak) while others would be consumed. He was a better saberist than malak who defeated a jedi master who was a master of saber combat. Average? I think not >_>.

Also what i meant about anakin not being as good as a saberist as he was during ep 3. What I meant was because he was more restricted with his machine parts. It took a while for him to get used to the new body parts. Also I doubt maul was better than dooku. He defeated Qui gon and obi-wan beat him after wards. But Obi-wan by the time episode 2 started was either on par or better than qui gon was in saber and force abilities. While Anakin was close to his skill and power. But was still more skillful and more powerful than Obi was during episode 1. Dooku faced a more challenging threat than maul and won. Later Anakin defeated him....also note that he wasn't an apprentice at that time he was a jedi knight >_>. Also Vader didn't kill all of the jedi there. They actually beat him (after he killed several of them) and surrendered. He did kill one more but the jedi that were left would of destroyed him if many stormtroopers didn't save him.

stormtroopers, under the command of commander bow , arrived and showered the Jedi with blaster bolts. Jastus Farr, his lightsaber still disabled, was mercilessly shot to death. As Farr fell, Roblio Darté shielded himself with a piece of mining equipment while Choi deflected the bolts aimed at him. Choi leapt up to the catwalk the stormtroopers were firing from, hoping to distract them long enough for Roblio Darté to escape, only to get caught in mid-air by Vader's Force grip.While Darté was shot to death, Choi hurled his lightsaber at Vader before being killed himself, hoping to take the Sith Lord with him. The lightsaber slashed open Vader's helmet exposing his real eye, but failed to kill him. 3 jedi were killed by stormies. 1 was killed by another jedi because that jedi fell to the darkside. Other four did die by vader BUT Vader still surrendered in the end. He was disarmed and wounded. The last 3 would have killed him. That is 8 jedi by the way. Not 12.