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#211 10 years ago
Codyy;5171718As YOU stated. We don't know if Revan had or had not mastered any forms. He could have. He beat Malak who defeated a jedi master that IS skilled and a master in saber forms aka Kavar. Kavar knew Jar'kai Ataru, Shien, Niman and Juyo. (He used and taught in combat. There are things that are ment to be game only but THIS isn't. This is canon) as well as advanced form forms. Malak defeated him but Kavar managed to survive their fight (never was explained). Kavar is a jedi master and knows many saber forms. Probably mastered them to. Malak defeated him and in turn Revan defeated him. You saying Revan was an average saberist at best is an exaggeration. Yea many people over exaggerate him. But a lot of people DE-exaggerate him as well. Making him sound as if he was nothing. Yet he had the power to use the star forge (when he was a sith lord before he was betrayed by malak) while others would be consumed. He was a better saberist than malak who defeated a jedi master who was a master of saber combat. Average? I think not >_>.

EXACTLY! WE CANT TALK WHAT IF'S! canon only. So by that Vader is a better saberist. As far as I could find Malak did not even fight Malak-source please. Kavar knew the forms yes...but so did Vader-and he mastered 2! Kavar MIGHT OF and so for canon (what this is about) he didn't. Revan was a pawn of the sith emperor...plus others could have used it but no-one ever found it! Malak was a Jedi Knight, not very powerful or skilled. His saber skills were average at best. Even then Vader dominates. He knew all the frosm and mastered 2 as well as apadted 1!!!! Giving him a CLEAR ADVANTAGE! malak did not kill Ka

Also what i meant about anakin not being as good as a saberist as he was during ep 3. What I meant was because he was more restricted with his machine parts. It took a while for him to get used to the new body parts. Also I doubt maul was better than dooku. He defeated Qui gon and obi-wan beat him after wards. But Obi-wan by the time episode 2 started was either on par or better than qui gon was in saber and force abilities. While Anakin was close to his skill and power. But was still more skillful and more powerful than Obi was during episode 1. Dooku faced a more challenging threat than maul and won. Later Anakin defeated him....also note that he wasn't an apprentice at that time he was a jedi knight >_>. Also Vader didn't kill all of the jedi there. They actually beat him (after he killed several of them) and surrendered. He did kill one more but the jedi that were left would of destroyed him if many stormtroopers didn't save him.

Yes Maul probably wasn't as good as Vader. It did not take Vader anytime to get used to his 'machine parts'. There is nothing documented and so is irrelevant. By epi2 obi-wan was better than Qui-Gon...we don't even need to go into that. Anakinw as a mere apprentice and was almost equal to his power. Conclave on kessel - Vader killed 3 and took on 8 at once-resistting excrutiating pain and even managed to kill one Jedi with a disabled lightsaber-using the cortosis blade to disable the others. He CLEARLY beat them. He was able to fend off 8 jedi at once. I can't believe you can't see that Vader was an exceptional saberist- He took on 8 Jedi at once and killed many others-including the ones stationed in the jedi temple such as Cin Drallig- the temples guardian! he killed him as a jedi knigh when he was a master- a good one at that!!! here we go: Vader: *Knew all lightsaber forms *Mastered 2 *adapted form 5 which NOONE ELSE LEARNT giving him a clear advantage such as Winu had by using Vapaad(spelling) *very strong telekenisis-able to move large objects without even moving. Could force choke someone across the galaxy as long as he had a live transmission with them. *blaster deflection with his hands *Force lightning deflection *high resilience-still took on the other Jedi on kessel when he was highly wounded and also survived his duel with Obi-Wan on mustafar rather than burning to death. Revan: *Did not know all the lightsaber forms *did not master any * Could produce a weak force storm and only knew th other core powers. Whirlwind-vader could produce as well * No documents on reilience and so cannot take into account for revan *We CANNOT TALK WHAT IFS or HE COULD because by that knowlege he didn't-we have no documented info on most of him and so we can only use what we know about which is posted just above By reading that YOU MUST BE ABLE TO SEE that vader wins- this discussion has gone on for too long. read the old posts as well- that will prove my point also as we are just repeating.




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#212 10 years ago

Granyaski;5172569EXACTLY! WE CANT TALK WHAT IF'S! canon only. So by that Vader is a better saberist. As far as I could find Malak did not even fight Malak-source please. Kavar knew the forms yes...but so did Vader-and he mastered 2! Kavar MIGHT OF and so for canon (what this is about) he didn't. Revan was a pawn of the sith emperor...plus others could have used it but no-one ever found it! Malak was a Jedi Knight, not very powerful or skilled. His saber skills were average at best. Even then Vader dominates. He knew all the frosm and mastered 2 as well as apadted 1!!!! Giving him a CLEAR ADVANTAGE! malak did not kill Ka

Yes Maul probably wasn't as good as Vader. It did not take Vader anytime to get used to his 'machine parts'. There is nothing documented and so is irrelevant. By epi2 obi-wan was better than Qui-Gon...we don't even need to go into that. Anakinw as a mere apprentice and was almost equal to his power. Conclave on kessel - Vader killed 3 and took on 8 at once-resistting excrutiating pain and even managed to kill one Jedi with a disabled lightsaber-using the cortosis blade to disable the others. He CLEARLY beat them. He was able to fend off 8 jedi at once. I can't believe you can't see that Vader was an exceptional saberist- He took on 8 Jedi at once and killed many others-including the ones stationed in the jedi temple such as Cin Drallig- the temples guardian! he killed him as a jedi knigh when he was a master- a good one at that!!! here we go: Vader: *Knew all lightsaber forms *Mastered 2 *adapted form 5 which NOONE ELSE LEARNT giving him a clear advantage such as Winu had by using Vapaad(spelling) *very strong telekenisis-able to move large objects without even moving. Could force choke someone across the galaxy as long as he had a live transmission with them. *blaster deflection with his hands *Force lightning deflection *high resilience-still took on the other Jedi on kessel when he was highly wounded and also survived his duel with Obi-Wan on mustafar rather than burning to death. Revan: *Did not know all the lightsaber forms *did not master any * Could produce a weak force storm and only knew th other core powers. Whirlwind-vader could produce as well * No documents on reilience and so cannot take into account for revan *We CANNOT TALK WHAT IFS or HE COULD because by that knowlege he didn't-we have no documented info on most of him and so we can only use what we know about which is posted just above By reading that YOU MUST BE ABLE TO SEE that vader wins- this discussion has gone on for too long. read the old posts as well- that will prove my point also as we are just repeating.

You say Revan dows not know any lightsaber forms even yet you can;t prove that. He is no average lightsaberist. Also I would like the source to where revan can only use weak lightning and to where it says malak was a average saberist. Seeing as Malak has killed many jedi before. Multiple at the same time and one >_>. Which has been said in the game shown on the star forge when you open the door to see him killing 2 jedi knights. Also Vader did not CLEARLY beat the jedi because he had 3 friggin woulds inside of him. There were still 3 more jedi and he was saberless. If stormies had not of come he would of lost and died. Face it. Again with the jedi temple. He killed many younglings alone but he had THOUSANDS OF CLONES WITH HIM. Killing MANY of them as well. Other than in a video game i never saw him alone.

Malak was not an average saberist. He beat Kavar a jedi master whoMUST of mastered at least ONE form. He's a jedi master. Name one jedi master who hasn't mastered at least one form. It was said in gameplay that the two fought in battle. Kavar survived but obviously lost against malak since Malak is obviously not an average saberist >_>. Neither is Revan who defeated Echani warrior (and a master fighter) Yusani is one on one combat and won. Cut malak's jaw off and so on. Also Vader did not know all the saber forms. That is an exaggeration . Also there have been others in the past who have deflected force lightning.

Also the only reason Vader was bale to deflect hands bolts was because of his armor is made of unique micronized iron that could deflect anything short of a lightsaber blow. Also he only MASTERED one form. Shien. He later as darth vader added ELEMENTS of Juyo, Makashi,Ataru, soresu to it. He didn't know them or mastered them. He just was able to add some of there techniques to it. He didn't MASTEr them. He was probably barely proficient with them. Where else Revan we don't know to much about his saber abilities other than that he knows Juyo and MAYBE Jar'Kai. No info has been made. I doubt he is an average saberist like you say or else no one would prop him so much. Revan was known as a highly skilled warrior, having defeated some of the greatest and most accomplished fighters of his time during the Mandalorian Wars and the subsequent Jedi Civil War, including the former Echani general and senator Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, and Darth Malak, who was counted among the SKILLED SWORDSMAN of the era. Perhaps one of Revan's more impressive feats was his single-handed slaying of a pair of Terentatek in the depths of the ancient Sith Lord Naga Sadow's tomb on Korriban.

Revan's first Jedi Master Kreia would tell the Jedi Exile that staring at Revan was like staring into the heart of the Force. Seriously come on >_>. Revan was an incredibly talented and diligent student of the Force the most gifted of his time and eventually, by all accounts, became a very powerful Force practitioner. As one of the few individuals in galactic history to reach the heights of Sith power and return to the Jedi, he proved himself highly skilled in the use of both the light and dark sides of the Force. (He was a jedi then a sith then a jedi again...pretty sure he would pick up some tricks)

Also it was stated that not anyone could use the Star forge unless they were incredibly strong in the force, The rakatans found that out the hard way. Also Star wars complete encyclopedia backs up that revan and malk were very talented in the force and saber skills. I won't go into much detail because the proof i stated above SHOULD BE more than enough that neither were "average" saberists.

So when it comes down to it. Vader and Revan are basically even. In terms of saber combat and force power.




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#213 10 years ago
Granyaski;5171579Still makes no sense. He did not lose his saber knoledge when he became Vader so....he was on parr wih himself when he first got turned into Vader and then grew even stronger. So Vader in force unleashes could beat Vader in EP3.

Early on in his life as a Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Vader experienced great difficulty in adapting his old fighting style to work within his heavy, cumbersome suit. Eventually he adapted his style to make use of his increased physical strength and height, but before he accomplished this he found it difficult to win in duels that, in the past, would have been easy for him - read Dark Lord: The Rise of Vader to see his struggles for yourself.

Once his style had been adapted to use his reach and power, it may have remained somewhat cumbersome and stunted in appearance but simply because of his sheer strength and height, it was extremely difficult for his opponents to resist it. But following his defeat by Obi-Wan, his swordsmanship was never the same again.

Incidentally, this is pretty much used as the explanation for the aesthetic differences in fighting styles between the prequels and the originals (i.e. why Vader wasn't jumping all over the place and spinning around in Episodes 4 - 6 like he was in 2 - 3) - Vader was essentially a cripple in plate armour making the best of things, while Obi-Wan was an old fart by then.




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#214 10 years ago

Seeing as Vader got kicked in by his wimpy son after said son had completed a weekend crash course jedi training, I think Revan might be a bit beyond him. I wouldn't even let Vader on the same pitch as Revan, let Vader get his butt kicked by Mission Vao in a warm-up match before two proper contenders take the field. Revan and Kenobi would be the match I want to see.




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#215 10 years ago
nazoa93;4040204Revan cooler clothes, and he was completely badass

agreed homie! :nodding:




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#216 10 years ago
Jedi Redux;5176219Seeing as Vader got kicked in by his wimpy son after said son had completed a weekend crash course jedi training, I think Revan might be a bit beyond him. I wouldn't even let Vader on the same pitch as Revan, let Vader get his butt kicked by Mission Vao in a warm-up match before two proper contenders take the field. Revan and Kenobi would be the match I want to see.

even though Luke is the most powerful Jedi to ever exist....




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#217 10 years ago
Granyaski;5183431even though Luke is the most powerful Jedi to ever exist....

His feeble jedi skills were no match for sidious.




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#218 10 years ago
Jedi Redux;5183819His feeble jedi skills were no match for sidious.

You mean, a Jedi Knight couldn't match the sheer power of the most powerful Sith Lord ever???

Gee willickers, what were the odds of that?!:rolleyes::rofl:




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#219 10 years ago

Fyurii;5184089You mean, a Jedi Knight couldn't match the sheer power of the most powerful Sith Lord ever???

Gee willickers, what were the odds of that?!:rolleyes::rofl:

:lol: So who does your vote go to anyway?




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#220 10 years ago

I am the most powerfull sith lord ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!