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Fyurii

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#1 10 years ago

Well, I think Obi-Wan said it best when he enlightened Luke....

"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the Galaxy together."

It is neither good nor evil, but both. There can be no Lightside without their being the Dark Side, no good without evil etc etc. Nothing of one without its opposite to measure and compare it against.

Does it influence the lives and paths of living beings? To some extent, if they allow it to.

Anakin's views of the Force were those of the Jedi, and as such believed that the Force was their guiding light. For example, were his visions of Padme's death a fixed view of the future? Or, were they merely visions of what may come to pass dependant upon which path he chose? Would his mother have survived had he not gone to her rescue? "Always in motion is the future...."

Perhaps, had he not been so blindly trusting of the Force, Padme might not have died, nor the Jedi Order be thrown into ruin by their own blind adherence to their views and philosophies.

The Sith themselves suffer from the same "affliction" when it comes to the Force that Jedi of the "Old Order" suffered. An absolute belief in the Force, and unqeustioning faith in it, leads to the Sith, Dark Jedi, and Jedi being victims to it.

(Hmmmm.... deja vu.....;))




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#2 10 years ago

I think Anakin's view of the Force is a little different that what you posted. I think Anakin viewed the Force first as what allows the Jedi to do their incredible feats. Then as he learned the ways of the Jedi, the Force became a teacher, a being who's ultimate will was unknown, but might be learned if the user learned to commune with it (Qui-Gon Jinn, anyone?) Eventually, I think Anakin came to view the Force as the answer to his fears. The ability to gain power to overcome death and become immortal was planted in him by Sidious, perhaps even before his turn in EP III, it just wasn't so blatantly put forth to him until then. As Anakin learned to use the Force, I believe he tried to learn ways to extend life. These and other ideas where big factors to his fall. Perhaps such knowledge was only known through holocrons and datapads accessible only to Jedi Masters or even only to the Council, for purely research and meditative reasons. Such ideas, continuation of life, the power to stop death, were only speculative to the Jedi Order and heresy against the way of nature. Only the Sith were so obsessed in losing their power that they tried to find ways to live forever. Remember what Yoda tells Anakin: "Death is a natural part of Life. Rejoice for those that turn into the Force. Mourn them, do not. Miss them, do not. It leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed, that is." And that is one path towards the dark side. Anger, fear and aggression. Anger towards those that have wronged you. Fear of losing a loved one, losing your life, losing your power or anything that you hold so close and dear. Agression towards anyone and anything that angers you and makes you fearful. Remember the Jedi Code: There is no emotion; there is peace. There is no ignorance; there is knowledge There is no passion; there is serenity. There is no death; there is only the Force. Now let us look at the Sith Code: Peace is a lie; there is only passion. Throught passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. And the last part that appears in game: The Force shall set me free. The two philosophies could not be any more disparate. The Jedi view the Force as an all encompassing energy field. Many believe that it is alive, others believe that it has a will that is to be served. The Sith view the Force as the energy that gives them their power, a tool to be used against their foes to overcome them and their own limitations. In this respect, the Sith are selfish and have a corrupted view of the Force according to the Jedi. The first Dark Jedi could not understand the Jedi's hesitation to use that power to advance their own agendas. But as the Jedi Council decreed, the Jedi are never to use the Force for personal gain or selfish reasons. The Dark Jedi thought it ludicrous to be demanded to forego the basic natural instincts of emotions, since it was emotions that fueled the Force. But it was the discovery of which emotions were most detrimental to the Jedi way that caused them from being allowed in instruction. The Sith merely do away with what they saw as weakness on the part of the Jedi. To the Sith, anger, rage, fear and loss were very powerful emotions that could harness power. The Jedi were calm, cool and collected. To the Sith, the more base emotions gave way to greater strength in using the Force and the philosophy developed from there. I would agree with your statement that both the Jedi and the Sith, to some degree and on some level, are servants to the Force. Whether you be Jedi or Sith, you are addicted to it's power. Like Palpatin tried to instruct Anakin "Remember back to your early teachings; those with power are afraid of losing it." That point can be argued by the conversation that Mace Windu and Yoda have when Windu suggests that they inform the Senate that thier ability to use the Force has diminished. Yoda responds by saying that the enemies of the Jedi would multiply, implying that those once fearful of the Jedi would muster the courage to launch physical and political attacks on the Order. Indeed, it would seem that the Jedi are fearful of losing their power. The Sith are forever fearful of losing their power. It was the Sith way for a master to instruct his apprentice, but not to teach them everything that the master knew, for it was also the Sith way for when the apprentice learned all that he could, the master ceased to be a useful resource and then must be sacrificed to allow the apprentice to rise as the new master. This is also argued for when Palpatine relates the legend of Darth Plegious the Wise to Anakin. We know that Plegious discovered some arcan Sith Sorcery allowing him to create life. However, Sidious slew him in his sleep and claimed the mantle of Dark Lord for himself before Plegious might have passed on that knowledge to Sidious. It also relays the impatience that can be inherent to the dark side. While Darth Zannah was wise enough to understand that patience would be eventually rewarded if Darth Bne were to continue to live and teach her, Zannah also understood Bane's teachings that once she had learned all his secrets, she would have to challenge Bane for supremacy and take his place as master and Dark Lord of the Sith. The fact that Yoda was able to absorb and deflect Force Lightning without a lightsaber is testament not only to his hundreds of years as a Jedi, which obviously afforded him time to study and research the abilities granted by the dark side and how to defend against them, but his understanding of the Force and its nature as well.




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#3 10 years ago

I'm being incredibly lazy on this one......

http://forums.filefront.com/sw-kotor2-off-topic/ 362266-what-nature-force.html#post4353354

(Just copy and paste the two lines, and hit return.)




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#4 10 years ago
Fyurii;4353359I'm being incredibly lazy on this one...... http://forums.filefront.com/sw-kotor2-off-topic/ 362266-what-nature-force.html#post4353354 (Just copy and paste the two lines, and hit return.)

:Puzzled: That was lazier than my copy and paste job? Dude? I could't copy and paste the link, I had to open 2 separate IE windows and type the damn thing in....




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Darth Dracon;4353738:Puzzled: That was lazier than my copy and paste job? Dude? I could't copy and paste the link, I had to open 2 separate IE windows and type the damn thing in....

Screw two windows!

Mozilla or IE7 - Tabbed window browsing FTW!!!!!




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#6 10 years ago

Hey, whatever works for you. I am saavy enough on the computer, but my expertise lies in all things SW, buddy.




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#7 10 years ago
Darth Dracon;4354974Hey, whatever works for you. I am saavy enough on the computer, but my expertise lies in all things SW, buddy.

Everyone's an expert until they're proven wrong;)

Besides, tabbed browsing means you don't have to open a second window unless you want to. Plus, Mozilla is generally better. (At least in my experience, it has less problems or errors than IE has had.)

The nature of the Force is simple. It's what you believe it to be.




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#8 10 years ago

But it is more than just what you believe it to be. It is ever present. It is ever exisiting. It is the Force.




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#9 10 years ago
Darth Dracon;4363528But it is more than just what you believe it to be. It is ever present. It is ever exisiting. It is the Force.

No, it really is what you believe it to be, and how you perceive it.

Why? It doesn't actually exist in the real world, so I'm free to have my opinion about what I think it is.=p




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#10 10 years ago

Oh, so sorry. I thought that suspension of disbelief was a pre-requisite in the SW Universe. I thought that one must believe in the wonderment of the stories and lose one's self to your inner child and to your imagination.... My Bad. How foolish of me.




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