Preacher I'd be glad to send you the pictures of the piles of dead bodies from when Hussein put down protests, or the horrible twisted faces of his own people he gassed. But I won't post them here.
But I will..NOTE** these pictures are not for weaker or more sensitive viewers. http://massgraves.info/ By Iraqi's own accounts, Saddam Hussein killed over 1 million of his own countrymen in the past 30 years he has been in power. This is the equivalent of 1/4 of the population of Berlin. Saddam Hussein ordered female family members to be raped and sodomized in front of their own family members. Saddam Hussein' regime encouraged such atrocities as having his own army force dissenters to drink gasoline, then they were lined up and shot at with rifles in a contest where the winner was the one who could make the first victim explode in flames. The war in Iraq is not, nor has it ever been about oil or forcing our Christian beliefs on an unwilling country. You want to talk about oil??? Let's see which countries have the most to gain from Iraqi oil. Which countries have oil contracts with Iraq? The US? Nope. England? Nope. Canada? Nope. I wonder....that's right, France, Germany, and Russia. They have multi-billion dollar oil contracts they have been waiting to execute, but have not been able to because of the emargo against Iraq by the UN. Which countries have repeatedly voted against sanctions against Iraq at the United Nations? France, Germany, and Russia. Let's talk about "stones" shall we. Iraq had no nuclear weapon program, right? Wrong. Years ago, Iraq was on the path to developing weapons grade plutonium to be used for weapons that were pointed at Israel. This was done under the guise of using this nuclear plant for producing electrical power. The real motive of the Iraq regime was discovered and eliminated by a commando strike conducted by the Israelis, and the "power station" was destroyed. Where did the Iraqis get the equipment and supplies needed to produce the weapons grade plutonium? Guess! That's right, France again. How about chemical weapons? Let's see, what means did Saddam Hussein use to kill over 200,000 of his own Kurdish countrymen in an attempt at "ethnic cleansing"? The answer: poison gas. Almost a quarter of a million human beings lost their lives because Saddam Hussein felt they were ethnically inferior. Sound like the motives of another infamous mass murderer from World War II?? This is not a case of the United States forcing it's own moral code or religion on other countries. I know of NO religion on the face of this planet that condones this type of action or would stand by and allow this behaviour to continue unchecked and unpunished. To say that the Iraq war is based on oil or religion is simply untrue. The facts prove otherwise.
Iggy - Well put and a good positive argument!
Ignacio should be a polititician because that was a great argument. :clap:
well to get this agument back on topic (kerry/bush remember?) here's my thoughts I'm not fond of either. Kerry doesn't thrill me and bush threw in with discrimination (i.e. gay/lesbian couples aren't equal to regular ones so should not recieve equal treatment) so I'm not sure who I'll vote for yet. I'll probably look to the best indipendant running. maybe if enough folks vote for 'other' we may get beond this lame 2 party system.
Which countries have oil contracts with Iraq? The US? Nope.
You are right! And Why not? Because Iraq didnt wanted to work together with USA. One good reason to to force them. And remember the good friendship between USA and Iraq in the 80s. This friendship stopped after Iraq and Iran stopped the war against eachother 1988 - and not because Saddam killed his own countrymen (what he did since 1979)
Which countries have repeatedly voted against sanctions against Iraq at the United Nations?
PLZ dont speak about the United Nations in relation to Bush jr. - he spits on UN - The actual war against Iraq got no UN mandat so its a war crime per definition.
By Iraqi's own accounts, Saddam Hussein killed over 1 million of his own countrymen
I now that Saddam is a massmurderer - thats not under discussion. Can you give me a source for that count?
Iraq had no nuclear weapon program, right? Wrong. Years ago, Iraq was on the path to developing weapons grade plutonium to be used for weapons that were pointed at Israel
First - there are no proofs for that. Bush wasnt able to show some like he promised before he starts the war.Its just a lie. Second - Israel got nuclear weapons too. Why not sanctionating Israel too - Two measures! Third - USA got nuclear weapons too and its the onliest country which used them aleready (BTW without military neccassarity on civil aims - these two bombs killed more people in 1 week as Saddam kiled in 30 years - the bigest war crime in history ever)
This is not a case of the United States forcing it's own moral code or religion on other countries
So why he is using such stupid phrases like "axis of eval" - he got no diplomatic sensitivity - he is just a dangerous Idiot. His kind of acting will produce more and more terrorism. (BTW how can people resist against such a strong opponent like the "good axis" in other way than terrorism. We let them no other choice than to suicidekill us)
I didnt understand a word you said.
I think Senator John McCain would be a better choice than Bush or Kerry.
El Dragonwell to get this agument back on topic (kerry/bush remember?) here's my thoughts
I'm not fond of either. Kerry doesn't thrill me and bush threw in with discrimination (i.e. gay/lesbian couples aren't equal to regular ones so should not recieve equal treatment) so I'm not sure who I'll vote for yet. I'll probably look to the best indipendant running. maybe if enough folks vote for 'other' we may get beond this lame 2 party system.
Bro as I have mentioned before....you need to get your facts [color=black]strait[/color]. He is not anti gay but is pro traditional marriage. He has no problem with gay/lesbian people haveing legal unions with the benifits that married couples have but wants this left to the states to deside. He does have a problem with the language calling it marrage. He feels as do a majority of Americans that we shouldn't rip apart the definition of marriage away from one man/one women the way its been for 100's of generations.
As for picking a candidate for only one minor issue this is sad. One must look at the total person and the good he has done on.... protecting the USA from global threats, bringin us out of a recession that he was handed from the Clinton administration in record time with tax relief and sound policies, and most of all steady sound leadership.
Kerry in my opinion is a joke. He has no moral conviction or clarity. He takes all positions to all issues due to he only cares about getting elected. In this time of global terrorism I want a leader who will make desisions on what he feels is the right thing to do and no have to go to the French, Germans and Russians to ask their permission to protect our interests and citizens. When Kerry says Bush does not have Multinational support he is full of CRAP! This is discounting the 47 nations that are in the multinational colalition. Why does he say it is not multinational???? because the French are not there.
Great pics BITE.
The waffler from Taxachussettes is stunning in his "Dukakis Moment" is't he?? Now he is perplexing his mad dog Moore/Dean base with his claim that he would still authorize force with today's new intelligence on Iraq. How many more times can he flip that coin?
And the Swifties have outed him on that Cambodia fib he kept repeating on the senate floor... It might be the beginning of the Kerry implosion. He could release his records and clear some of that up.... but not likely; the swifties have very compelling documentaion, timelines, testimonials and an impressive roll call of the vast majority of officers and men who commanded him and served with him. It's time to expose this charlatan for the fraud he is.
The "band of brothers" I served with (and keep in touch with) in Desert Shield/Storm (Task Force Ripper 3rd Light Armoured Recon Bn Weapons Co.) all strongly support "W" and the mission. The vast majority of Vets know the voting record of Kerry against military pay raises, weapons systems, program funding ect. and oppose his election bid. Furthermore, most Veitnam era vets despise him for his perjurous testimony and "Hanoi John" antics against American troops in that theater.
Let's see when "The Miner" gets back and get some straight dope from him as well....
Stay the course... and may God bless the United States of America.