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Tipsy

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#1 14 years ago

(Warning: Parts of the following discussion contain rather sickening references.)

Arab linguists have said the man posing as the Jordanian Zaraqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.

Zaraqawi was missing one leg and had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally with his ill-fitting limb. No man in the group showed evidence of such an infirmity. Numerous indigenous sources have said Zaraqawi was killed by a US helicopter attack months ago when he was unable to move quickly enough to escape the targeted house. While others managed to exit the house in time to survive, he died in the collapsed building. As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine. The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would have continuing wearing a US custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One is forced to speculate as to whether there was an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, thusly preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb. Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands. Some men had what can only be described as pasty-white hands. Once again, one would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands. The lack of spurting blood suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. It is possible Berg's dead body was displayed with his head already partially or totally severed. In any case, he almost certainly was killed before the staged beheading. If so, it suggests the captors had no stomach for an actual beheading of a living person, and they opted to fulfill their assignment quietly and with the least amount of gore. The scream that is heard has been interpreted as a woman's scream by many viewers. Videotape cognoscenti have further said the scream was amateurishly added to the tape. The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this cannot be explained as an innocent flub. This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg. Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from? Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s. The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi is wearing a gold ring. This is absolutely proscribed by Islamic law. The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. We have to conclude that either the email was bogus or the US military has been lying. The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was a standard issue military chair of the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. The chances a terrorist cell would be using this same chair are minimal at best. Take A Look At The Chair Nick Berg Sat In Here




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#2 14 years ago

Personally, I dont believe most of the anomalies...and can you prove that the chair is the same in both pics? The only one that made sense was #4:

TipsyAs any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine.

At least there is ample scientific evidence to back that one up.




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#3 14 years ago

Synopsis is?

This is all well and good, but what's it boil down to? Do I have to decide myself? :'(




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#4 14 years ago
Synopsis is?

Basically a summary, concluding all important evidence and facts.




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#5 14 years ago

Shut it.




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#6 14 years ago

I saw the video, and in #4 it talks about how the beheading was too neat, but from what I saw in the video, it didnt look neat at all.

And I always thought that Burg was kneeling, not sitting.




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#7 14 years ago

Hmm, this is big stuff. I'm gonna try not to come to a conclusion myself.




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#8 14 years ago

i havent seen the video, and im not sure if i want to, so its viritually impossible for me to come to a good conclusion. :uhm:




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#9 14 years ago

I already read this some days ago and didn't think it was worthy at that time. I don't think it is now...

Arab linguists have said the man posing as the Jordanian Zaraqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.

Not once did the man reading the statement claim to be Zaraqawi. You posted the transcript yourself, remember?

Zaraqawi was missing one leg and had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally with his ill-fitting limb. No man in the group showed evidence of such an infirmity.

A man with an artificial leg can stand, walk, sit, turn. I'd draw the line at somoersaults, but basic locomotion is possible. Otherwide, why bother fitting a prosthetic?

Numerous indigenous sources have said Zaraqawi was killed by a US helicopter attack months ago when he was unable to move quickly enough to escape the targeted house. While others managed to exit the house in time to survive, he died in the collapsed building.

Two explanations. One: That did happen, he is dead and not once did the man reading the statement claim to be Zaraqawi. Two: If you are a wanted man, being dead makes you pretty difficult to capture. Would those hunting him continue to hunt for him if he was dead? Unlikely.

As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine.

I'm no expert, but is it not possible that the actual quality of the video (not the best) did a lot for disguising the blood flow? Also, the video is edited. There is a gap between the cutting off of the head and displaying it to the camera. That time period is indeterminable. It could be several minutes. Easily enough time for blood to have ceased to flow from the head. It will only hold a finite amount. This isn't hollywood. Also, I wouldn't call the cut 'clean'. If anything it is rather crude.

The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would have continuing wearing a US custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One is forced to speculate as to whether there was an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, thusly preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb.

I doubt he was wearing the suit when he was captured. It is more likely, at least to me, that he ws dressed that way in order to make a statement and draw a parrallel between him being a captive and Iraqi's being captives.

Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands.

Fat!? What kind of bullshit is this? The men in the video are not 'fat'. They could also be wearing, this is an example, body armour, extra clothing. "Tens of thousands of [ordinary, civilian] Iraqis have been shown on news stories..." Very few insurgents have. These people have come from other nations (the perpertrator is Jordanian) and are considered folk heroes by the people they are fighting for. Is it not possible that they are given, or simply take, the better food supplies?

Some men had what can only be described as pasty-white hands. Once again, one would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands.

Once again, video quality is a possible cause of this. Berg himself looks like he has been indoors for the last five months rather than in the desert sun.

The lack of spurting blood suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. It is possible Berg's dead body was displayed with his head already partially or totally severed. In any case, he almost certainly was killed before the staged beheading. If so, it suggests the captors had no stomach for an actual beheading of a living person, and they opted to fulfill their assignment quietly and with the least amount of gore.

It may suggest it, but it doesn't prove it. As I mentioned previously, is it not possible that the actual quality of the video (not the best) did a lot for disguising the blood flow?

The scream that is heard has been interpreted as a woman's scream by many viewers. Videotape cognoscenti have further said the scream was amateurishly added to the tape.

Dramatic licence? Why would someone bother to add a woman's scream if they were wanting to portray a valid excecution on celluloid? This sounds more like someone clutching at straws.

The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this cannot be explained as an innocent flub. This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg.

The version posted previously by the National Virtual Translation Center doesn't mention Al Qaeda at all. "One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic." One should ever assume... "This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg." Perhaps they did. It really doesn't matter. It is very possible that it was a misinterpretation.

Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from?

This is getting stupid. He's Jordanian, then he's not. We are told there are many other Muslims in Iraq fighting the Great Satan. They could be Iranians, Saudi's, Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians.

Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s.

"Almost universally..." Is that the best they can come up with?

The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi is wearing a gold ring. This is absolutely proscribed by Islamic law.

These people need to make up their mind as to whether it is, or isn't Zaraqawi. It cannot be both. Also, can they be sure it is gold? Was some sort of metalurgical test undertaken?

The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. We have to conclude that either the email was bogus or the US military has been lying.

What exactly does this prove? We know he was in the custody of the peole who killed him. That is all we need to know. His whereabouts prior to being captured are irrelevant.

The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was a standard issue military chair of the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. The chances a terrorist cell would be using this same chair are minimal at best. Take A Look At The Chair Nick Berg Sat In Here

Lets compare: Berg's chair: 040511nick-berg-video_n.jpg Abuser's chair: se3s.jpg Mass produced garden furniture available the world over: mw197.jpg Seems like this is another piece of bullshit. The last one, a chair being proof of a hoax destroys any validity the previous points might have raised. Thanks for listening.




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#10 14 years ago

lol this whle thing if funny. are you trying to implie that Berg was "killed" by the US government?