8 year old kills self with Uzi, who is to blame? 93 replies

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jackripped

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#1 8 years ago

Nothing l say can describe this, short of, the USA needs far better gun laws..... Gun show death video 'too gruesome':lawyer - Seven News Queensland




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#2 8 years ago

I remember reading about this in General Discussion. Interesting that the father, who apparently figured that his child was able to control an automatic weapon, isn't being sued. That he wants to use the video to get money from whoever handed the weapon to the kid doesn't exactly convince me that he is a very nice person either.

In my opinoin the father should be sued for being negligent about his responsibility towards his child and endangering the other visitors.

As for legislation; maybe the US needs a bit of legislation that tells people who are otherwise unable to figure it out for themselves that a gun isn't a toy for children. If you want to teach children how to be responsible around firerarms that's great. But start with a BB gun or, if you must, a .22 rifle before handing out military grade weapons.




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#3 8 years ago

He wants to sell the video for money ? OMFG ! Calais mofo.




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#4 8 years ago
Fleury's lawyers say the videotape is gruesome and is likely to elicit an emotional reaction from jurors and prejudice them against their client.

Isn't that the point?




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#5 8 years ago

I guess this is the common thing with Americans? Don't take the blame but pass it on to others?

The father gave the Uzi yes? Did this Edward Fleury Say "Here kid have an UZI"? No quite clearly it was the father.

Now I'm not sure how a gun show works. I would assume that the father paid for the ammo and the use of the UZI?

So the Gun show owner took the money and had no idea what the father would do correct? So it truth the father should be charged with manslaughter not the owner.

It was the fathers own neglect that led to his own sons death. Clearly the blame the lays on the father.


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#6 8 years ago

Uwsar-Hat-Anupuw;5432890I guess this is the common thing with Americans? Don't take the blame but pass it on to others?

The father gave the Uzi yes? Did this Edward Fleury Say "Here kid have an UZI"? No quite clearly it was the father.

Now I'm not sure how a gun show works. I would assume that the father paid for the ammo and the use of the UZI?

So the Gun show owner took the money and had no idea what the father would do correct? So it truth the father should be charged with manslaughter not the owner.

It was the fathers own neglect that led to his own sons death. Clearly the blame the lays on the father.

The way I imagine it the father paid the guy with the Uzi so that his kid could shoot, this probably also includes instructions on how to use the weapon (it is after all in the own interest of the gun owner that the shooter doesn't end up killing someone with his weapon). But still, it was the father's call to expose the kid to a potentially dangerous situation. So the owner of the weapon is only partially to blame.




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#7 8 years ago

The guy running the show is not to blame for the father letting his 8 year old son kill himself with a military-grade SMG. The responsibility for that comes down to the father.

And I don't really see how legislation is going to help scenarios like these. No matter how strictly you try to regulate firearms, they will always find their way into the hands of idiots. The rest of us should not be punished for the stupidity of a few people.

Fancypants, legislation is not going to help people realize that guns are dangerous. Everyone knows that, and if they don't, then frankly they're probably beyond help anyway and will only learn things the hard way.

jackripped;5432675He wants to sell the video for money ? OMFG ! Calais mofo.

You misunderstood; he wants to use the video in court to sway the jury to sympathize with him, in order to help him win the case.

Also, I'm changing the title of the thread. You've been better about not making your posts look like chat messages lately, but "Omg !" is not a fitting title for a Pub thread.




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#8 8 years ago

A "law" has nothing to do with it.

It is 100% fault of the parent, or if some defective gun.




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#9 8 years ago

Red_Fist;5432952A "law" has nothing to do with it.

It is 100% fault of the parent, or if some defective gun.

It would have to be a pretty extreme defect to cause you to shoot yourself.




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#10 8 years ago

If there was a law saying its illegal to let any child of that age to use a gun of that kind, it could have been prevented, that sort of law would not stop the people that want to use them use them, but would protect the children from such stupid parents and other idiots like the operator, there both fools and tools. They should both be prosecuted.