Well the kind of insult is redundent, I mean The best insult some people can come up with (those destended to a) be a major sports star hyped up on steroids or b) to forever say would you like fries with that) 'your gay' I mean, come on I was watching these two little kids arguing (When I say litle I mean middle school little) one's like 'Hey your a virgine your gay' there not even 13 and one of them is.... I feel very sorry for that girl. (and the kid treats her like a adult man during the 1940's) anyways, Wade is right, just because they are taught it is a man and a women they assume anything else is wrong and they are shunned from society it's absolutley racist, and George W. is just acting under Catholic religon I don't find a city marige to be wrong but a wedding by a priest, sorry but no they should also be a little lucky because the reason there was never some one gay is because they didn't wanted to be treated as if they didn't exist or be killed by some narrow minded gang. During medevil times the partners would be tied up and thrown into a bog ,only happened once but it happend (I think this is getting redundent) ok I'll add more rant next time.
WadeV1589"I don't think kids really care for what actions George Bush is taking, let alone thinking homosexuality is a norm." - that's strange because if you go into a play ground, the word gay is thrown around as a major insult. Right now the majority of children/teenagers are more interested in politics than most adults, in the UK at least. "Kids are growing up too fast these days" is something I've heard a lot and it's true.
Children are very receptive of what is going on...and by kinds I don't mean 2 and 3 year olds, I mean 7 onwards.
Well, I don’t visit playgrounds, so I’m really not up on what 7-year-old children and onward are really thinking. I hope it’s about playing dodge ball, and, “being aware of what, and who is around them”.
From a hetro standpoint, and not being a homophobic, in my opinion I believe homosexuality to be a sin according to my religious beliefs. Staying with that frame of mind I will show you a post from sometime back:
Quote: Trojan_Ripper Vikki, My wife and I have a close friend on the Gay advocates council of Orlando who sleeps under my roof on his way too Nashville 3-4 times a year. My wife and I both are straight heterosexuals (even trying for a baby presently) and have many gay and lesbian friends, so there is no homophobe here. Also one of my jobs is as an Executive Director of a non-profit public benefit corporation who builds homes for homeless people, all people, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. I love them all “but if they pretend too be homeless, or something they're not, then guess where their application goes….“It not only gets shredded but also burned”.
So, when I’m around homosexual friends do we discuss the subject, “NO”. Do I allow them to swim in my pool, and sleep under my roof “YES”. Do I allow men to sleep with men, or women with women under my roof, “NO” it’s my home and they respect it, period. If my wife and I are visiting them, then it’s their home, to do as they believe.
I think I’ll start a religious thread on the subject. I know we have had a lot of BELIEVER versus NON-BELIEVER threads, but this is different subject matter. A person’s heart or upbringing can be a religion to them, ‘in my opinion’. Religion is just what someone believes in.
WadeV1589I just found this article totally by accident while using 'StumbleUpon' in Mozilla. I know we have more than enough threads about being gay/lesbian and views [/QUOTE] Do we? It does not cease to amaze me, & I feel that there is some hope from the fact, that the generation most accused of apathy & ignorance still feels the need to discuss & hammer out the fundamental issues that remain on our planet & in our political climate. This is supposed to be a gaming forum for fxxks sake! & yet...& yet I bet that none of us would log on to a forum which existed solely for such polemic discussion. Humans are perverse in many surprising ways but there remains an overriding urge in some of us to do good & be fair. To see this propagated & this knowledge & intelligence disseminted via the channel that only gets in the press when they find death, drugs & child porn on it... This article is over 2 years old & published by a student at a university I didn't even know existed. If it had been printed in the university's paper it would have been consigned to the annals of, 'once I did this but no one cared' like so many other insights. I didn't find it; someone else did & judged it to be worthy of my & others attention. I don't know anyone directly & yet I am posting my opinion & some of you may/will reply. It's like intelligence has finally found its form outside of ourselves. Who would have thought that networking all the machines in the world together would give rise to the opportunity for such fundamental change. I still get quizzical looks from people in my generation & those above who ask why I spend so much time online & timidly question the usefulness of the net. They will quite happily while away their lives in front of a television...& can also speak expertly on the fallacies of the net. Where do they get their expert qulifications? The same place they get their weather reports. [QUOTE=WadeV1589] but I wanted to a nice clean post just to show you a view from a heterosexual guy who seems to have a very clear understanding of homophobia in our society.
Great find WadeV1589, thank you. & by the way I have sadly to put this into gender/sexuality context as alot of you may think I am 'pink'. I am infact as 'homophobic' as Mr Dru Oja Jay (a sincerely great name btw! Appart from the fact that he probably had to live with being called O J all the time).
Zero, I read the article Wade posted, and even some of the links. My question to you is "What the hell did you just say?" Did I really miss something important?
uhuh, i'd like a little clarification too...
AzHuhuh, i'd like a little clarification too...
If you are refering to my post then I'd need 'a little clarification' as to what you'd, 'like a little clarification' over. If you really care for me to expand on it in the first place: Point 1 It's a relief & elucidating to see all the damning & portents of a dumbed down & defunct unthinking society rebuked even in the most unlikely of forums. As say this, as I mentioned in the post I don't think that this was ever seen as the primary function of this forum & yet the poster is apologising for adding to a line of debate which has seen, 'more than enough threads'. I say that humans are perverse because I am certain most people on this forum do not frequent political/philiosophical discussion forums where this thread may be evidently seen as more 'on topic'. & yet people (which involves primarily 'young' people on this forum allegedly) will give time & thought to these issues. The net gets alot of bad press as regards its impact on society - you will of course never see a headline 'Net enables & encourages the discussion of pressing social & political issues & opinion', but its great to see it happen & develop with your own eyes. 2. My second point primarily involves something entirely different & more general though its still a 'social topic' in that when you stop & think the real significance of what networking all the computers together has given rise to in terms of possibilities it is really mind-boggling. Its already stagnant as any other cliche to claim that people really are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, (& cannot really fathom the implications of the magnitude & depth of the rest of that 'glacier') when it comes to the effects that having 24hr access to the net & its 'services' will have in totally on the world as a whole; however I still think its real impact is still greatly underestimated by the majority. I also think that surprisingly you find people who understand the technical aspects (of the net & its function) to a high level, are part of that majority. Point 3 Disecting what is in fact happening here - the low level process that is leaving an imprint on this site - I would make a bold conjecture that since any physical attribute I possess is not being transmitted or recorded (excluding the fact that I am typing this) then what is being brought into play & existance in this net 'realm' is only to do with intellect. I propose this is the case with anyone using the net in this way. Reading information acting on it & inviting other humans to comment on it irrespective of their location (language permitting). Our intellects have found a place (or plane if you want to be romantic about it) on which to meet as equals. Point 4 Its comical & ironic to have people who will while away hours in front of a television pass judgment on those who spend (significant) time online when the criticism tends to involve such things as lack of participation, social contact, awareness, cerebral & intellectual stagnation etc. Going off at a tangent ( admittedly again)... Having said that every blue moon television networks (perhaps only in the UK - I do not watch any other tv) do air some outstanding & salutory programmes, you have to keep an eagle eye on the schedules so as not to miss them though. Don't get me wrong I don't argue that entertainment is inferior or not as worthy, but the ratio of entertainment to life-addressing, thought-provoking tv is not what it should be. Great entertainment can also encompass thought-provoking & life-addressing 'issues' or drama. This is generally harder to produce however & when done badly it will only compromise the dual function of the work. But I think alot of truly great entertainment manages to introduce many things on several levels in harmony for at least some of its duration. I do not claim to have any type of media qualification, just conjecture.
Ok. Fork time - I'm done. *Hands out metaphorical rifles to the gathered to shoot him down for being pretentious*
Well you certainly know what you want to say even if it does come across a tad lengthy and full of tangents!
Going with the main point, it's along the lines of "it's good to see people discussing stuff which is so important to modern society on these forums"...at least that's what I got from it...to make sure I suggest everyone reads it, fully. Don't just take my word for it. I could be wrong...it kind of blows a hole in what a lot of people say about "online is just a waste and destroys you" by actually being far more topical than most classrooms are.
WadeV1589Well you certainly know what you want to say even if it does come across a tad lengthy and full of tangents! [/QUOTE]Just a 'tad' eh? ;) I was going for Olympic on lengthy. [QUOTE=WadeV1589]...it kind of blows a hole in what a lot of people say about "online is just a waste and destroys you" by actually being far more topical than most classrooms are.
Not not only or really more topical, but potentially more insightful, revelatory, thought-provoking & therefore successful; in the way that a school is supposed to be successfully salutory & thought-provoking.
Then there is of course online you can be far more open and if someone tries to judge you, chances are others will join you against that person whereas in a classroom when you're young, if you get singled out, everyone jumps on the band wagon to make fun of you.
WadeV1589... in a classroom when you're young, if you get singled out, everyone jumps on the band wagon to make fun of you.
Oh yeah! Aren't classrooms great incubators when trying to breed a good strain of 'mob mentality'?