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#1 12 years ago

Seems tribal leaders are tired of the killing and have banned together to fight the insurgents.

In my humble opinion, when the people are tired of the insurgents and are taking up arms and becoming active in removing the threat.

Yes we know if the US had not invaded hte situation wouldnt be there, please use any of the existing 10,000 threads to express your opinion on that.

Tribal leaders and clerics in Ramadi, the capital of violent Anbar province, met last week and have set up a force of about 20,000 men "ready to purge the city of these infidels," Sheik Fassal al-Guood, a prominent tribal leader from Ramadi, told The Associated Press.

"People are fed up with the acts of those criminals who take Islam as a cover for their crimes," he said. "The situation in the province is unbearable, the city is abandoned, most of the families have fled the city and all services are poor."

They have formed a force of 20,00 and have asked for the US and Iraqi goverment to help them.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq




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#2 12 years ago

I've been saying this for a while - these various groups will sort themselves out sooner or later. Though the process won't be pretty, and the end result probably won't suit American interests.




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#3 12 years ago

Good. Hopefully we will back these guys, something Clinton just didn't see fit to do...




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#4 12 years ago

Ma DeuceGood. Hopefully we will back these guys, something Clinton just didn't see fit to do...[/QUOTE]

Sunni Arabs were not part of the uprising against Saddam post Persian Gulf War it was Marsh Arabs and Kurds mostly. remeber after the first Gulf War when George Bush Sr. told the Iraqis to rise up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

Anbar did not play a major part in the 1991 uprisings which took part in George Sr. term.

[QUOTE=Machiavelli's Apprentice]I've been saying this for a while - these various groups will sort themselves out sooner or later. Though the process won't be pretty, and the end result probably won't suit American interests.

You are correct

Many of you expect the Sunni Arabs of the Anbar province, a province which happens to have a population in which 90% of the population supports armed attacks against Americans to all of a sudden take up arms on certain elements of the insurgency?

I don't wan't to shit on the brithday cake but things will stay the same. Hell, today a car bomb hit a police station in Ramadi, the capital of the Anbar province. Anti-American hate permiates through much in the Anbar province for them the population to simply turn on the insurgency.




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#5 12 years ago

Artie Bucco So you expect the Sunni Arabs of the Anbar province, a province which happens to have a population i nwhich 90% of the population supports armed attacks against Americans to all of a sudden take up arms on certain elements of the insurgency?

I don't wan't to shit on the brithday cake but things will stay the same. Hell, today a car bomb hit a police station in Ramadi, the capital of the Anbar province. Anti-American hate permiates through much in the Anbar province for them the population to simply turn on the insurgency.

They arn't becoming pro-American, they are merely anti-insurgancy. It's not like they are rising up against the insurgency because they love America, they are doing it because they are sick and tired of these so called Muslims tarnishing the real religon of Islam. Now if the rest of the Iraqis would realize that hte insurgency isn't in any way defending them then Iraq would be on the road to stability. But until the Iraqis realize that the insurgency is their problem as much as it is ours, it's going to be a shitty place to live.




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#6 12 years ago
AfterburnerThey arn't becoming pro-American, they are merely anti-insurgancy. It's not like they are rising up against the insurgency because they love America, they are doing it because they are sick and tired of these so called Muslims tarnishing the real religon of Islam. Now if the rest of the Iraqis would realize that hte insurgency isn't in any way defending them then Iraq would be on the road to stability. But until the Iraqis realize that the insurgency is their problem as much as it is ours, it's going to be a shitty place to live.

Just because they are becoming anti-insurgency doesn't mean that these armed groups won't attack the US back. http://archive.gulfnews.com/indepth/iraqelection/more_stories/10005432.html

Iraqi insurgents declared a truce to protect voters from foriegn insurgents. This isn't new and it won't change a thing, tommrow violence will flair up in Ramadi and the whole bungle of towns along the Euphrates River in the Anbar province.

With Ramadan coming up i can see violence flaring to suprising levels.




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#7 12 years ago

Artie BuccoJust because they are becoming anti-insurgency doesn't mean that these armed groups won't attack the US back. http://archive.gulfnews.com/indepth/iraqelection/more_stories/10005432.html

Iraqi insurgents declared a truce to protect voters from foriegn insurgents. This isn't new and it won't change a thing, tommrow violence will flair up in Ramadi and the whole bungle of towns along the Euphrates River in the Anbar province.

With Ramadan coming up i can see violence flaring to suprising levels.

That site you linked tois from 2005. This isn't a truce to protect voters, it is a coalition of 20,000 people who are going to be fighting to get rid of the insurgency, completly. Maybe they will turn on the U.S. but I doubt it. The general populace of Iraq doesn't like us being there but the general populace doesn't hate us enough to attack.




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#8 12 years ago
AfterburnerThat site you linked tois from 2005. This isn't a truce to protect voters, it is a coalition of 20,000 people who are going to be fighting to get rid of the insurgency, completly. Maybe they will turn on the U.S. but I doubt it. The general populace of Iraq doesn't like us being there but the general populace doesn't hate us enough to attack.

I didn't find them plausible then and don't much find them plausible now. Some tribes may develop feuds with some fundamentalists, but the likelihood of it amounting to much on a province-wide scale strikes me as low. Most Sunni Arab tribes are as opposed to the US presence as the fundamentalists. And most "tribes" aren't any longer that well organized, efficient or powerful. Iraq is an urban country, where urban formations such as political parties are the leading forces. And, yes, secret cells and intelligence tradecraft are also urban. - Juan Cole

I will bump this topic a few weeks from now and see if violence has decrased in the Anbar province.




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Artie BuccoSunni Arabs were not part of the uprising against Saddam post Persian Gulf War it was Marsh Arabs and Kurds mostly. remeber after the first Gulf War when George Bush Sr. told the Iraqis to rise up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

Anbar did not play a major part in the 1991 uprisings which took part in George Sr. term.

You are correct

Many of you expect the Sunni Arabs of the Anbar province, a province which happens to have a population in which 90% of the population supports armed attacks against Americans to all of a sudden take up arms on certain elements of the insurgency?

I don't wan't to shit on the brithday cake but things will stay the same. Hell, today a car bomb hit a police station in Ramadi, the capital of the Anbar province. Anti-American hate permiates through much in the Anbar province for them the population to simply turn on the insurgency.

Oh no, don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying that this is the same group of people, quite the opposite actually. What I'm getting at is we have right here an excellent opportunity, much like we had in the mid-1990s, and that we shouldn't piss it away.