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Flash525

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#1 10 years ago

The other day, I can't remember what I was doing, but I suddenly started thinking about what will follow in this thread. Chances are, I probably just finished watching a science fiction show or movie. Anyway, there are two main factors to discuss here. The first is time travel (the ability to travel forward in back wards in time). The second, is the multi verse theory (the theory that anything which can happen, does, and will happen). The multi verse theory dictates that in one 'reality', there are endless consequences. What if you turned right instead of left one day? Some people have speculated in the past, that if you go back in time, to alter the future, you either create a new time line, you either go back to your original time line, or, you would seize to exist because of changes you've made, altering your existence. When thinking about this, I wondered... Say in 2150, someone went back too 1990 and changed something for the benefit of the future. They then go forward, back to 2150. Could it not be, that instead of them changing their own time line, they instead go forward to an 'alternate reality' time line, based on what they have actually changed? This meaning that the original time line (and reality), from which they came, remains untouched. Thought?




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#2 10 years ago

Isn't time just a concept created by humanity to organize better?




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#3 10 years ago

It's a convenient name for the constant continuation of.. events.




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#4 10 years ago

Ok so if the event hasn't happened yet, how is it possible to travel to it?

In order to travel to a future event, the event would have to be planned out beforehand. This would mean that a god would have to have created this event. But from a non-god-believing point of view, the event never happened. It is not possible to travel to that event, because it doesn't exist.




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#5 10 years ago
Aeroflot;4741008Isn't time just a concept created by humanity to organize better?

That'd mean that movement, air, and even thoughts would have been created by humanity. Time is the word for the stuff that keeps the universe, and even existence, intact. Without time, we'd be standing still.




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#6 10 years ago
Aeroflot;4741008Isn't time just a concept created by humanity to organize better?
Serio;4741082That'd mean that movement, air, and even thoughts would have been created by humanity. Time is the word for the stuff that keeps the universe, and even existence, intact. Without time, we'd be standing still.[/quote]
I think this is the best post-explanation yet. [quote=Aeroflot;4741044]Ok so if the event hasn't happened yet, how is it possible to travel to it? In order to travel to a future event, the event would have to be planned out beforehand. This would mean that a god would have to have created this event. But from a non-god-believing point of view, the event never happened. It is not possible to travel to that event, because it doesn't exist.

You could argue that. If someone developed a time machine tomorrow, that allowed you to go back in the past, and you did, what would happen in regard to you returning to the future? From the perspective of the past you are in, the future (your present) doesn't yet exist, therefore, how would you go (back to) a time that doesn't essentially exist yet. You'd be the only one with knowledge of the possible future.




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#7 10 years ago

And by that logic, going back in time - and returning to see what changed is not possible. A good way to look it can be that there is no past or future, only the present - and also, that time is subjective.

Time is a simplified way of explaining a concept so difficult we don't fully understand it yet.




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#8 10 years ago

Aeroflot;4741044Ok so if the event hasn't happened yet, how is it possible to travel to it?

In order to travel to a future event, the event would have to be planned out beforehand. This would mean that a god would have to have created this event. But from a non-god-believing point of view, the event never happened. It is not possible to travel to that event, because it doesn't exist.

It has already happened in another universe, so traveling to that one would bring you forward in time. whereas in another universe, the dinosaurs are still alive, or the earth hasn't formed.




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#9 10 years ago
NiRv4n4;4741101It has already happened in another universe, so traveling to that one would bring you forward in time. whereas in another universe, the dinosaurs are still alive, or the earth hasn't formed.

But the theory states, that by changing something you create an infinite number of new universes - however they all progress at the same rate. (In fact, there is an infinite number of new universes created every moment)

So technically, while you can travel between universes with different timelines you cannot move forward in the same universe in which you just changed something.




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#10 10 years ago

Serio;4741082That'd mean that movement, air, and even thoughts would have been created by humanity. Time is the word for the stuff that keeps the universe, and even existence, intact. Without time, we'd be standing still.[/quote]

"Standing still" is a concept that assumes time exists or existed at one point.

Movement is not created by humanity because it's a natural function of the body, just like with animals. Air exists because it was created by plants. Thoughts are created by humanity. Thoughts are naturally occurring within humans, thus humans created them, albeit not consciously.

Time does not keep things intact.. atoms and subatomic particles and gravity and other things that make stuff stick are. Time does keep your thinking intact though. Time probably came about when people saw that the sun and the moon show up, and after day and night came to being after that. The people saw things were moving and created an organizational system based off that. "Hey, you know, the next time night shows up were should really find another cave. We'll call that next night 'tomorrow night.'" And then on from that time developed into what it is today. We just began to confuse time so much that it turned into a force, such as gravity. Time IS a sequence of things happening, but that's all it is. It's a way to measure the distance between two events occurring, just like an inch measures the distance between you and the computer. Time is no more a phenomenon than a centimeter or a kilometer. Both are human made for convenience.

Metall_pingwin;4741088And by that logic, going back in time - and returning to see what changed is not possible. A good way to look it can be that there is no past or future, only the present - and also, that time is subjective.

Time is a simplified way of explaining a concept so difficult we don't fully understand it yet.

This.

The 'past' is our collection of thoughts (and memories).

[quote=NiRv4n4;4741101]It has already happened in another universe, so traveling to that one would bring you forward in time. whereas in another universe, the dinosaurs are still alive, or the earth hasn't formed.

This is if other dimensions exist. I don't know much about dimensions though because I was never interested in that.