Dr. Awesome;4812078Accautly it isn't. Maybe it is to one such as closed mined as you, but what you think, means nothing to me. You are just one of many biblethumpers, I could just careless about. My being in this thread, is not for the sole purpose of you. [/quote]
Excuse me but your the one who has bought into the atheist "there is nothing" closed minded nonsense. Also I am not a "Bible-thumper" like you claim. [quote=Dr. Awesome;4812078] I can go on forever.
If you want, go ahead.
Stryer500Excuse me but your the one who has bought into the atheist "there is nothing" closed minded nonsense. [/quote] If its true (which it is), it can't be nonsense.(which it isn't) [quote=Stryker500]If you want, go ahead.
Dr. Awesome;4812085If its true (which it is), it can't be nonsense.(which it isn't)
But it is not true and thus it is nonsense. :moon:
But it is not true and thus it is nonsense.
Snipes With Artillery
22nd March 2005
Children, knock it off.
BTW, Stryker500, what was "it is closer to 4% not 15%" supposed to refer to? Oh, signing your name is generally considered the polite thing to do on those little messages, as not all members can see who left 'em.
The Red Scare did not destroy our freedoms, people are just as free to believe what they want in this nation as they were in 1783.
Merely being tolerated and free to go about your beliefs is not good enough (besides, it is not true if one's beliefs are incompatible with speaking the words of the pledge). The fact remains that there is something, created by the government, by which theists are treated favourably over atheists. "Under God" is a low-level form of verbal ostracism. America is one nation under God, so if you are don't consider yourself to be under God, you are un-american. You try to tell me that's not implied if you like, but maybe you should read Bush senior's statements on atheism and american citizenship first;
George H. W. Bush"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
...about the best sort of proof of my point I can imagine. It's not just "under God" that is the problem. That would be oversimplifying things. Rather it is the whole culture of "God-fearing America" which is poisonous to the ideals of religious freedom and equality. The whole thing should be done away with...the religious-oriented pledge, the religious "national motto", the ten commandments on display in courtrooms, every last bit of government-sanctioned religious promotion. Now as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter whether people are still free to practice their beliefs, or not practice other people's beliefs, if their way of life is not respected by public institutions. Without this you have a case of some being more equal than others.
It is not only impossible, but foolish to attempt to regulate societies influence on beliefs. It is a natural part of the structure of any society.
This is a straw man. It's nothing to do with "society" influencing people's beliefs; the pledge of allegiance is the subject of discussion. It's not a natural part of the structure of society but something pushed on it by the government. It would be entirely possible to do away with it were it not for the culture of religious bias that I mentioned above.