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#1 13 years ago

I am sure such a thread has been made in the past, but I don't want to re-open it because it will just get closed. roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif Anyway, abortion in todays world is ten times safer than pregnancy. It is a million times cheaper than pregnancy. It is a morally sound, alternate solution to pregnancy. For people who cannot deal with the stress of having a child in their lives at the moment, abortion is the perfect choice. I support abortion in a casual sense. I think sex is a beautiful thing, and I think anyone who wants to have sex should have sex. And if certain things go wrong, there should be a way out. That is why we have the power of science. Abortion isn't a moral thing to me because I do not believe in God. God doesn't create human beings. Your parents cells create human beings. God has nothing to do with the process. Even if I believe God existed, he still wouldn't have anything to do with the process. So you are not 'killing' one of Gods creations, you are 'killing' one of your own creations. Which brings me to my next point. A clump of cells that develop in the uterus is not yet a human being. In my opinion, you are not a human being until the day you are born. Until then, you are abortionable, whether you like it or not. One in three women I believe will have had an aborition sometime before they hit the age of 45. That is a lot of abortions, and that is a lot of unwanted children that could have been born into a world of hurt where they get thrusted into poor financial situations, a family that doesn't have the neccesary money to support them fully. Abortion is not too painful. Abortion is an uncomfortable procedure, just like most procedures, but it is a bearable pain. Women should not be turned away from abortion in fear of the pain. A simple solution to people against abortion falls directly into this quote. "If you are against abortion, DON'T HAVE ONE!"




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#2 13 years ago

I am going to post what I did in another thread

I can relly only say this. If my childern would go off, do it and get pregant I would make them have the baby then put it up for adoption. Why waste a perfactly good life when someone else wants one?

Most people who adopt are usually well to do and have alot of money. I am against it since you are killing another human being!




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#3 13 years ago
Pethegreatâ„¢I am going to post what I did in another thread Most people who adopt are usually well to do and have alot of money. I am against it since you are killing another human being!

FALSE! Next.... But to address your point, the ratio of people who actually get adopted compared to those that get dumped into social services isn't very high. Most abortions are done by people who live in more poor areas of the country. Parents looking to adopt children, which are pretty low by the way, are looking to adopt children that come from more stable, white parents. It is a simple fact. Most people don't want to adopt, and those that do are people who can't have children due to certain problems with anatomy. You are not killing another human being. A clump of cells the size of my fist, or for the most part of pregnancy even smaller is not a human being. It is a little ball of cell that will create a world of problems for the mother. And, I would appreciate that you actually come into one of my threads with scientific evidence, or social evidence before you start rattling off 'facts.' You disagree with abortion, fine and dandy, but I would like to see substancial facts that actually make a debate. And the bible does not count as fact, as I could care less what the bible dictates about abortion.




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#4 13 years ago
Pethegreatâ„¢I can relly only say this. If my childern would go off, do it and get pregant I would make them have the baby then put it up for adoption.

I think you'll find you cannot force them, legally, to have a child.




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#5 13 years ago

Abortion is morally wrong, but you have to see it from the point of the person going through it. It is essentially taking a life, making the choice of almost murdering a living human being. However if the reasons for it are justified and abortion is the only way to go I don't think there is anything wrong with it, provided it's very very early on in the pregnancy. The limit that is set is way to high, I think it's something like the first trimester, but I think if your going to have an abortion it should be alot sooner.




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#6 13 years ago

So what if it is murder? We murder thousands by proxy everyday, just because we're too lazy to get up and do the things that would save them, I've no problem in adding one more to the list of nameless thousands I've shared the responsibility for killing.




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#7 13 years ago
X-CFor people who cannot deal with the stress of having a child in their lives at the moment, abortion is the perfect choice. [/QUOTE]If you can't deal with a baby, give it up for adoption to someone that can.
X-CIf I believe God existed, he still wouldn't have anything to do with the process. So you are not 'killing' one of Gods creations, you are 'killing' one of your own creations.[/QUOTE]Either way, you said it yourself: it's killing.
X-CWhich brings me to my next point. A clump of cells that develop in the uterus is not yet a human being. In my opinion, you are not a human being until the day you are born. Until then, you are abortionable, whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE]This is where you are horribly wrong. I will quote an article I found online: "The medical arguments against abortion are compelling. For example, at conception the embryo is genetically distinct from the mother. To say that the developing baby is no different from the mother's appendix is scientifically inaccurate. A developing embryo is genetically different from the mother. A developing embryo is also genetically different from the sperm and egg that created it. A human being has 46 chromosomes (sometimes 47 chromosomes). Sperm and egg have 23 chromosomes. A trained geneticist can distinguish between the DNA of an embryo and that of a sperm and egg. But that same geneticist could not distinguish between the DNA of a developing embryo and a full-grown human being. Another set of medical arguments against abortion surround the definition of life and death. If one set of criteria have been used to define death, could they also be used to define life? Death used to be defined by the cessation of heartbeat. A stopped heart was a clear sign of death. If the cessation of heartbeat could define death, could the onset of a heartbeat define life? The heart is formed by the 18th day in the womb. If heartbeat was used to define life, then nearly all abortions would be outlawed. Physicians now use a more rigorous criterion for death: brain wave activity. A flat EEG (electroencephalograph) is one of the most important criteria used to determine death. If the cessation of brain wave activity can define death, could the onset of brain wave activity define life? Individual brain waves are detected in the fetus in about 40-43 days. Using brain wave activity to define life would outlaw at least a majority of abortions. Opponents to abortion also raise the controversial issue of fetal pain. Does the fetus feel pain during abortion? The evidence seems fairly clear and consistent. Consider this statement made in a British medical journal: "Try sticking an infant with a pin and you know what happens. She opens her mouth to cry and also pulls away. Try sticking an 8-week-old human fetus in the palm of his hand. He opens his mouth and pulls his hand away. A more technical description would add that changes in heart rate and fetal movement also suggest that intrauterine manipulations are painful to the fetus." Obviously, other medical criteria could be used. For example, the developing fetus has a unique set of fingerprints as well as genetic patterns that make it unique. The development of sonography has provided us with a "window to the womb" showing us that a person is growing and developing in the mother's womb. We can discern eyes, ears, fingers, a nose, and a mouth. Our visual senses tell us this is a baby growing and maturing. This is not a piece of protoplasm; this is a baby inside the womb. The point is simple. Medical science leads to a pro-life perspective rather than a pro-choice perspective. If medical science can be used at all to draw a line, the clearest line is at the moment of conception. Medical arguments provide a strong case against abortion and for life" [QUOTE=X-C]is not too painful. Abortion is an uncomfortable procedure, just like most procedures, but it is a bearable pain. Women should not be turned away from abortion in fear of the pain.
Many women die from unsafe abortions, especially in third world countries. Studies have found that abortion greatly increases women's mortality rate (http://www.afterabortion.info/news/deaths_smj.html). [QUOTE=X-C]A simple solution to people against abortion falls directly into this quote. "If you are against abortion, DON'T HAVE ONE!"
A simple solution to people that don't want to have a baby falls directly under this quote: "If you don't want a baby, don't have sex". [QUOTE=Nemmerle]So what if it is murder? We murder thousands by proxy everyday, just because we're too lazy to get up and do the things that would save them, I've no problem in adding one more to the list of nameless thousands I've shared the responsibility for killing.

Care to elaborate? Who have you killed? I know that I have not killed anyone.




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#8 13 years ago
NemmerleI think you'll find you cannot force them, legally, to have a child.

If they are under the age of 18(still a minor), the parents judgment overrides their own. If they don't want to have they baby they can have a c-section, alot less painful than both child birth and abortion. At lest you know its morally wrong trillian. So the kid grows up in a poor town or with a social worker, They can be thankfull they are alive and their mom did not go to that abortion clinic.




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#9 13 years ago

will i think when a women has a abortion it's just like striping someone form the joy of life so your really killing someone (our has some one said killing them before they are made)




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#10 13 years ago

I believe that having an abortion is right uo there with murder... think about it your killing a HUMAN (no matter how developed) that will one day become your son/daughter