Abortion will be the downfall of America. 305 replies

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#301 11 years ago
Self awareness is a trait we posess only when our mind are active. Not self aware means not a person, not human? This is a ridcilous proposition. Far too many individuals fit under that price tag. At least with a comatose paitient you at least wait to see if he'll wake up. That's a hard decision.

Nobody suggested self-awareness was the only factor. It is also that an embryo, in perfect health, has no capacity for thought, no individual persona, no conscious experience and thus no real existence as a person. All of these things have developed already in a coma sufferer so they can be defined as a person whether they are currently self-aware or not. The same is true of any other person who temporarily lacks self-awareness (people who are asleep even) - the things that make them a person may in a sense be "dormant", but they still exist in the here and now and are actually destroyed by killing that person. In the case of abortion, those things have not come into existence yet so cannot be removed by killing the unborn child. Then also there is the fact that the death of a developed person has far more impact on other people than an abortion which only affects the mother and maybe a handful of relatives, but not in the same way as losing an actual child with its own independent existence would.




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#302 11 years ago

I think abortion is wrong, BUT. What I disagree with is the government trying to step in and make laws against doing it.

The decision to abort or not, is a spiritual question that the individual must ask themselves, the government has no right to interfere with such personal decisions. And by doing so are further whittleing away at Our rights and freedoms.

No abortion will not be the downfall of America, the loss of personal freedoms will.

"Those who are willing to trade a little freedom, for safety, deserve neither freedom or safety" - Benjamin Franklin




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#303 11 years ago
TheDarkInvader;4231943Nobody suggested self-awareness was the only factor. It is also that an embryo, in perfect health, has no capacity for thought, no individual persona, no conscious experience and thus no real existence as a person. All of these things have developed already in a coma sufferer so they can be defined as a person whether they are currently self-aware or not. The same is true of any other person who temporarily lacks self-awareness (people who are asleep even) - the things that make them a person may in a sense be "dormant", but they still exist in the here and now and are actually destroyed by killing that person. In the case of abortion, those things have not come into existence yet so cannot be removed by killing the unborn child. Then also there is the fact that the death of a developed person has far more impact on other people than an abortion which only affects the mother and maybe a handful of relatives, but not in the same way as losing an actual child with its own independent existence would.

oh ok, I saw a homeless person today, could I have killed him? It won't make an impact! why should it matter if I kill him? As a matter of fact, why don't we kill any homeless people that won't make an impact on anyone. Try and tell me that's not wrong




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#304 11 years ago
oh ok, I saw a homeless person today, could I have killed him? It won't make an impact! why should it matter if I kill him? As a matter of fact, why don't we kill any homeless person that won't make an impact on anyone. Try and tell me that's not wrong

The fact that the death won't achieve much doesn't negate the fact that the homeless person is self-aware.




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#305 11 years ago
nazoa93;4232443oh ok, I saw a homeless person today, could I have killed him? It won't make an impact! why should it matter if I kill him? As a matter of fact, why don't we kill any homeless people that won't make an impact on anyone. Try and tell me that's not wrong

You should have read my whole post and not just the last sentence. A homeless person is still a person in terms of awareness, individual identity and conscious experience. So killing him would make a difference to him. The impact it would have on others is just an additional factor in the case of most coma sufferers.




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#306 11 years ago

This issue is best to just vote the way you feel. Keep your opinions to yourself and to do what you feel is right. Ever since the internet people are entitled to hear everyone's personal opinions more and want to change them. It is a tool for fight, aggression and anger. Everyone reads and feels as if they can now judge and change things . Everyone here so care free, post so much.... I now believe that if you have no alternative solution to abortions then just vote against them if you feel it is wrong. If you support then support and keep it to yourself. The choice is there for everyone and regardless of the individual it has become a choice made by man and it is lawful by man. God has no say in what so many want control of anymore. Religious fanatics may introduce it into the argument when they can but if one is silent no one can disagree with the statements , actions being made. Just keep it to yourself, abortions are not going away unless you have a solution , alternative. I am against abortion, I believe the key is prevention. The truth is prevention would cost too much money and bigger businesses rather make more money than they would spend on it. Abortion is cheaper for country and politicians. It also is an excuse and source for steam cell resource. Atleast the morale evils if any have some gratification in such research however almost all science in my opinion is the root of some evil. Often when funding , is needed resources, obsessions in science are created other systems, choices are abused. The chose to not fund prevention pills or condoms that always work but instead pro-abortions to keep the research going. Paranoia maybe but a very possible scenario There is evil in everything , man kind is a sinful animal . We are incapable of perfect choices without any consequences of true sin. We write our own morale codes because it is all we can comprehend . Reassurance in who we are as a race and individual by telling ourselves what is wrong and what is right. We all sin and people always lie because they dont know the real truth of things.

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