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#1 12 years ago

I've been posting what some people may call anti-patriotic opinions in the spam forum under the American club thread, and have decided to stop cluttering up those peoples area and post my opinion here. America may be great in some aspects, but I hope some people agree when I say that it's not what it's cracked up to be. America was once a great nation; we had many freedoms and were never that nosy as to other peoples buisness. But I dont know where they are allowed to come off with threats of war against other nations. If you are wondering where this came from, it's the recent Korean missle testing. If we are in immediate danger, i'd understand. But we aren't, so I don't. We already are in a war for no good reason against Iraq, we dont need to fight two countries. And if no one agrees with us (france, for one), we rename our food 'freedom fries'. America is slowly taking away freedoms, such as homosexual marriage, freedom of speech towards our goverment, flag-burning as a protest, the pledge of allegiance (if the damn atheists dont want to say it, they can sit the fuck down), and many other things. If this continues, democracy will go down the crapper and america may fall under a dictatorship. And for all you smart-asses out there, pay no attention to my age. Yes, I may be young, but I know what the hell is going on.




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#2 12 years ago

I've always liked this one. "It was wonderful to find America, but it would have been more wonderful to miss it." -Mark Twain

Oh and yes, America is leaning towards a totalitarian rule. The is clear with the laws that destroy our individuality while pretending to cater to them.

Moral legislation is the new trend.

As far as terrorism, well Ben Franklin said it best. “He who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither.”

The best I can do to change my governement is vote, and I do.




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#3 12 years ago

This is just yet another hate America thread. No have brought up absolutely NOTHING new. Though I do have to say, since when has the government taken away the freedom to speak out against the government?




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#4 12 years ago
since when has the government taken away the freedom to speak out against the government?

Since the FBI pulled a 14 year old girl out of school to threaten her with federal punishment after she posted a 'kill bush' picture on her myspace.




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#5 12 years ago

Fetter_Zickleinmorder;3349047 America is slowly taking away freedoms, such as homosexual marriage, [/QUOTE]

Im sorry, Ive lived a year or 2 in this country and I never remember homosexual marriage as a "right" that was stripped of the American public. I remember that it never existed in the first place.

freedom of speech towards our goverment, [/QUOTE] Um...no.

flag-burning as a protest, [/QUOTE] I love people who bitch that they cant burn a flag, because if they have that much hatred for the country, why are they here? Noone is forcing you to stay. You can get the fuck out anytime.

the pledge of allegiance (if the damn atheists dont want to say it, they can sit the fuck down),

Im an athiest, and I still say under god. I dont give 2 shits. And I know many other athiests that do the same. You dont have to say "under god". You can just go "One Nation..............indivisible, with etc etc

[QUOTE=] If this continues, democracy will go down the crapper and america may fall under a dictatorship.

Not gonna happen. [QUOTE=] And for all you smart-asses out there, pay no attention to my age. Yes, I may be young, but I know what the hell is going on.

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[QUOTE=Fetter_Zickleinmorder;3349102]Since the FBI pulled a 14 year old girl out of school to threaten her with federal punishment after she posted a 'kill bush' picture on her myspace.

Freedom of speech is different from threatening / advocating Presidential assassination. You are not given the right in any Federal Document to threaten the life of the President of the United States of America.




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#6 12 years ago

Homosexual marriage wasn't banned until just the past year or so.

and how can a 14 year old be a threat? You really are reaching, my friend.




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#7 12 years ago

A lot of things I like come from America: food, literature, music, movies, games, science. Sure, I may not agree with their foreign politics, but politicians annoy me no matter from what country they are.




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#8 12 years ago
America is slowly taking away freedoms, such as homosexual marriage,

*Joke*But we are giving them freedom from all the headaches of marriage*Joke*

The US is not moving towards a dictatorship. I hate to break it to you, but the government has been listening to all of our phone calls well before 9/11 and the patriot act.

Since the FBI pulled a 14 year old girl out of school to threaten her with federal punishment after she posted a 'kill bush' picture on her myspace.

What proof was there to say she was not going to kill bush?

If America is nearing a totalitarian government a lot more things would be happening. You don't hear about any plans for an armed revolution now do you?

Yeah the US is not perfect, but it is the best place on earth to live IMO.




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#9 12 years ago

Yes, Mr. Fancypants, I agree. But I am not attacking what comes out of the country, but instead how the country is run.




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#10 12 years ago
Afterburner;3349091Though I do have to say, since when has the government taken away the freedom to speak out against the government?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._The_Progressive%2C_Inc.

Because of the nature of the information at stake in the trial, two separate trials were conducted, one in public, and the other in camera. The defendants (Morland and the editors of The Progressive) would not accept security clearances (which would put restraints on their free speech), and so were not present at the in camera hearings. Their lawyers did accept clearances so that they could participate in the trial, but were forbidden from conveying the information to their clients.

The article was eventually published after the government dropped their case during the appeals process, calling it moot after other information was independently published, though many observers at the time thought it was because it was becoming clear their arguments were not being well received by the judges and they were afraid that the Atomic Energy Act might be ruled as unconstitutional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_lennon#The_Anti-War_Years_and_the_Deportation_Battle

"Give Peace a Chance", recorded in 1969 at the height of the Vietnam War, marked Lennon’s transformation from loveable mop-top to anti-war activist, and began a process that culminated in 1972 when the Nixon Administration sought to silence him by ordering him deported from the US.

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