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Miliciano

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#1 8 years ago

The whole of my world seems beset by grey, a world where life has no meaning in its current state. We have entertainment and religion to distract us and take our minds off what really matters, but strip that all away and you have a cruel equation for human suffering.

Life in America is just an endless cycle of buying and selling. For all of our supposed progress we still live with a stone age mentality. Products are made, then go back and forth between buyer and seller, then the process repeats itself. All of it is for the purpose of making a profit. Goods are made not too satisfy the 50,000,0000+ people in this country alone who suffer from food shortages simply because they do not have access to a simple necessity. Health care is still not free. People are given only one freedom, and that is to pay for survival or die. Why should I have to pay the powers that be so that I do not starve, so that I do die of dehydration, or exposure? I have to pay to stave off death, and they don't seem to care the slightest bit. I don' expect them to give me everything, but if we are such a great country, then why do so many go short of basic necessities every day?

Our government is supposedly democratic, but come and see who really holds the power. The only people who can fund a campaign are the wealthy, and the wealthy can use their money to bribe and manipulate their way to power through various deceptive means. They also control the media, and what we see and read everyday in the news. There are no poor or lower middle class people in the government, even though they make up a large chunk of the country. They get no representation. All they get are long working hours, low pay, and sent to war when the government decides it needs more money. Besides, I did not want to go to war with Iraq, nor did many other Americans, and even with so many crying for us to end the war, we are still mired in a conflict that has cost far too many lives.

Money is useless. It is fabric with a bunch of fancy prints on it that somehow give it some exceptional value. Its only purpose is to provide the allusion of power to those who hold the most of it. And yet people starve, go to war for, and die for it. It is the rotten heart of this whole nation.




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#2 8 years ago

Take your filthy communist propaganda and leave! BACK DEMON! I'm not defending America here, they definitely have issues, but so does every other country on earth. I don't think its right to complain about America's problems, especially if your from a forign country. They all bitch about America but then something will happen and everyone starts QQing to America. "Ohh please help! We're losing a war! Theres a natural disaster! Etc"




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#3 8 years ago

Miliciano;5147456Life in America is just an endless cycle of buying and selling. For all of our supposed progress we still live with a stone age mentality. Products are made, then go back and forth between buyer and seller, then the process repeats itself. All of it is for the purpose of making a profit.[/quote]

And most of the purpose of making a profit is to increase people's quality of life.

Miliciano;5147456Goods are made not too satisfy the 50,000,0000+ people in this country alone who suffer from food shortages simply because they do not have access to a simple necessity. Health care is still not free.[/quote]

Yeah, the welfare system is pretty bad. I can appreciate the agruments about the difficulties involved in organising programmes across the whole country, given that it's pretty big and all. Still, the new healthcare bill is a step in the right direction.

Miliciano;5147456People are given only one freedom, and that is to pay for survival or die.[/quote]

Nonsense.

Miliciano;5147456Why should I have to pay the powers that be so that I do not starve, so that I do die of dehydration, or exposure? I have to pay to stave off death, and they don't seem to care the slightest bit. I don' expect them to give me everything, but if we are such a great country, then why do so many go short of basic necessities every day? [/quote]

Because the "powers that be" provide you with things like emergency services, roads, water, electricity, sanitation, etc etc etc. I do agree that the number of people born below the poverty line is bad, but that goes back to the welfare situation above.

[QUOTE=Miliciano;5147456]Our government is supposedly democratic, but come and see who really holds the power. The only people who can fund a campaign are the wealthy, and the wealthy can use their money to bribe and manipulate their way to power through various deceptive means. They also control the media, and what we see and read everyday in the news. There are no poor or lower middle class people in the government, even though they make up a large chunk of the country. They get no representation.

The wealthy need the votes of the poor to get into power. Just because someone is wealthy doesn't mean they won't look out for non-wealthy people. Look at yourself for example - you're rich enough to own a computer, yet I assume you're making this thread because of people less fortunate.

[QUOTE=Miliciano;5147456]All they get are long working hours, low pay, and sent to war when the government decides it needs more money.

The existance of employment laws begs to differ. Look at a far eastern sweatshop, then come back and tell me Americans have to work too long for too little pay.

[QUOTE=Miliciano;5147456]Besides, I did not want to go to war with Iraq, nor did many other Americans, and even with so many crying for us to end the war, we are still mired in a conflict that has cost far too many lives.

Agreed.

[QUOTE=Miliciano;5147456]Money is useless. It is fabric with a bunch of fancy prints on it that somehow give it some exceptional value. Its only purpose is to provide the allusion of power to those who hold the most of it. And yet people starve, go to war for, and die for it. It is the rotten heart of this whole nation.

Rubbish. Money is a means to standardise a system of bartering, giving real value to goods. What alternative would you propose?




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#4 8 years ago
Destroyer25;5147464I don't think its right to complain about America's problems, especially if your from a forign country.[/QUOTE] Last time I checked, Illinois was part of America. He has the right to complain about how shitty his country is. [QUOTE=Rich19;5147479]Rubbish. Money is a means to standardise a system of bartering, giving real value to goods. What alternative would you propose?

And actually, if the barter system was still around, there wouldn't be a lot of the problems money has made. "Giving real value too goods?" Ok, you are a toy seller, lil' Kim comes up to you and gives you a $1 bill, his friend Pol Pot comes up to you and gives you a $10 bill. It's fucking paper, how is Pol Pots paper more valuable than Kims? Because someone made it that way? You put numbers on paper, why does that make it valuable? If I put numbers on rocks does that make them valuable as well?




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#5 8 years ago

Yet another "baww America is screwed because of x, y, and z!" threads.

I have yet to see anyone who complains about all the problems in America actually propose a solution to those problems.




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#6 8 years ago
Pethegreat;5147578Yet another "baww America is screwed because of x, y, and z!" threads. I have yet to see anyone who complains about all the problems in America actually propose a solution to those problems.

One word: Revolution. Nah. Not yet. The US is already owned by China. They've got bigger problems than sedition.




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#7 8 years ago
Sadim-Al-Bouncer;5147585One word: Revolution. Nah. Not yet. The US is already owned by China. They've got bigger problems than sedition.

That could be fixed, there are tons of other shitty asian countries that can make cheap crap. I say we use a large number of small countries rather than 1 big one, that way the west will have more control over their economy. Ofc China would be pissed about that, but we can just nuke them out of existance. :)




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#8 8 years ago
Schofield;5147502"Giving real value too goods?" Ok, you are a toy seller, lil' Kim comes up to you and gives you a $1 bill, his friend Pol Pot comes up to you and gives you a $10 bill. It's fucking paper, how is Pol Pots paper more valuable than Kims? Because someone made it that way? You put numbers on paper, why does that make it valuable? If I put numbers on rocks does that make them valuable as well?

Paper money is essentially an IOU issued by the government. That's why it says "I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of..." (or at least, it does on GBP notes). The actual currency is the coins, with standardised weights. In the olden days, the coins were set weights of precious metals.

What I meant with "giving real value to goods" is that it gives everything in the country a standardised scale to barter with. If you bartered with goats, someone could give you skinny goats, fat goats, old goats, young goats, whatever. The use of money is essentially bartering, but it's a fair and standardised system. One pound is still worth one pound wherever you go. It also allows you to set laws ensuring minimum wages, for example.

EDIT - Destroyer25, would you mind leaving the "nukes are the solution to all problems" talk at the door?




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#9 8 years ago

I wonder how much paper money is worth in paper money... Like the actual value probably is more than 1 dolar




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#10 8 years ago
Rich19;5147593EDIT - Destroyer25, would you mind leaving the "nukes are the solution to all problems" talk at the door?

I rarely think that way, China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Iran are the exceptions. Otherwise I tend to stay away from the nukes. :)