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#1 10 years ago

Taken from a discussion in this thread: http://forums.filefront.com/general-discussion/348793-great-charter.html#post4194912

(no, it isn't a link to that thread of mine in the spam forum)

It's an established fact that that communism in the twentieth century doesn't have a particularly good record. Stalin murdered millions, and oppressed half of Europe.

Well, suppose you create a communist state from scratch, on a newly discovered island somewhere. As you own a small fortune, setting up basic infrastructure is not a problem. You decide to only let convinced and committed communists live there. Everyone there really does believe everyone is equal. Everyone there lives there of their own free will, and is free to leave at any time.

Because of this, there is no worry about internal opposition. Your new country does not face the unconvinced masses and factions actively opposed to the system that the USSR had to deal with. Your country has not been devastated by war either. You don't have to face up to the threat of capitalist superpowers (at least, one would hope. You aren't a threat, you aren't actively hostile, and you aren't oppressing anyone. So you ought not to be worth bothering about).

My question is, would the communist state in this scenario work? Personally, I believe it would, at least for a while. With almost no active threats to the survival of the state, bar invasion, any problems that would arise would do so over a long period of time. Perhaps the future generations would cause problems.




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#2 10 years ago

well in refernce to the United Earth, you must let me finish the whole thing before you judge it




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#3 10 years ago
NCC1017spock;4194975well in refernce to the United Earth, you must let me finish the whole thing before you judge it

Maybe you ought to have finished it before you posted it then. =p Although it does bring up some interesting points so far.




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#4 10 years ago

thanks, and sorry about my Imperial Ideas the other day, I was way of on planet mars or soemthing, but as bad as it was it inspired change, and huge one :) so, again sorry....I will get my rep back in one way or another. ANd I posted it ealry so people can help me make changes along the way.




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#5 10 years ago
The Charter of United Earth

The Charter of United Earth is for the people of Earth and there well being, designed for freedom and greater being of Human kind. The fighting nations of Earth should be united as one, not factionalized. As a race why do we fight but for resources, land, and people, and all this fighting brings an end to all to be fought for. When the days of destruction are upon us and there is no turning back, where do we go but into the blood bath. This charter is designed to stop that and expand our well begin here, around and past the planet. With the elimination of war, hunger, sickness, and poverty can be achieved if we work together as a united race, and not countries. The Charter of United Earth is to benefit all countries and peoples on the planet of Earth, and to insure the horrible acts of the past do not repeat them selves in the future. All the countries no matter what size will have equal power, and the larger states will have more ability to vote. Through and new system to here be known as Unitedism (united-ism) all components seen in past government structures will be blended together form a more perfect, clean, peaceful world. · The first problem to be solved is the way to elect leaders, for it is in the best interest of the people to choose there own leaders while the government would elect the members that the people have chosen. · First the people in a selected territory would vote for the people they feel is best for the job they are running for in the Planetary council. · Out of the selection of the Planetary council members the Supreme council votes on who they want in it (2 members for each continent). · Then the members of the Planetary council would elect the members of the Supreme council (out of the choices that the people wanted the Planetary council to elect- see first bullet). · This process is repeated ever four years and on the fifth year all the newly elected members, or ones voted for again will take office. The power will lie in the hands of the government and there choices lie in the hands of the people. The territories will be made by already existing borders of the countries that are members of Untied Earth. Larger countries like the United States of America will be split into 3 territories, of western, central, and eastern areas and other countries will remain whole. Each territory will have the same amount of representatives in the Planetary council, while each territory (depending on size) will have more votes on any matter that needs voting on. While each all the territories in a continent will vote on who they won’t to run for there continent, and then the Planetary council will elect out of the four most popular candidates for the Supreme council. United Earth’s people will not have to use money, it will and should not be the driving force in ones life to accumulate wealth and power through wealth. There is a very simple system to use for this. He is the example that best shows how this system works.

  • A farmer growing corn runs low on seed because he has already shipped out all of his corn.
  • He goes to the store and gets more for no coast.
  • Now the store is out of corn seeds and goes to get more form the corn seed factory, at no coast.
  • Now the corn factory need more corn for make getting seeds form the farmer at no coast for it does not coast anything for the farmer dose not need money to get more seeds.

This is a way of not using currency that checks and balances it self by everything revolving around everything else. This system will stay for as long as a United Earth exists or a full vote of both Supreme and Planetary council vote on returning to currency. Votes, and changes to the Charter will work though the Planetary and Supreme council, along with the peoples in the territories of United Earth. For adding a law, or piece to the Charter and or removing a law or piece of the charter at least 90% of the planetary council most agree and at least 10 out of the 12 Supreme council members must agree to pass it. Steps to voting are as followed.

  • Both and/or one of the two councils come up with a law, or piece of the Charter they won’t to take away or add to it.
  • The peoples of the territories vote yes or no, and if yes then the following happens, there most be at least 70% of people to vote for in favor of it.
  • 90% of all Planetary council members must vote in favor of act to be passed.
  • 10 out of 12 Supreme Council members must also vote in favor of it, for there are 2 representatives for each continents (not including Antarctica)
  • If this happens then the law will be passed.
  • (back to stage 2) If the people vote no then the law/act that is wanted to be past stops there.



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#6 10 years ago
NCC1017spock;4194999thanks, and sorry about my Imperial Ideas the other day, I was way of on planet mars or soemthing, but as bad as it was it inspired change, and huge one :) so, again sorry....I will get my rep back in one way or another. ANd I posted it ealry so people can help me make changes along the way.

No problem. :) I try to keep something that goes on in one thread separate from others. And I know that people have different opinions (case in point, if you search my posts you'll find me rather anti religious... yet three of my best friends are Mormons!). Besides, it seems you've moderated your rather, ah, extreme views anyway.

Back to the topic now.




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#7 10 years ago

ya think its for the better, I lost 3 rep point's on that "stuff" and another one on my United Earth Idea...so I am in negatives now...... :(




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#8 10 years ago

No it wouldn't work. People need an incentive to perform well. One of the reasons that socialised healthcare is so bad and the legal profession, at least the big firms, are so good at their job while the socialised bit of the legal system, the CPS is crap. Socialising things turns them to shit more often than not.




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#9 10 years ago
Nemmerle;4195023No it wouldn't work. People need an incentive to perform well. One of the reasons that socialised healthcare is so bad and the legal profession, at least the big firms, are so good at their job while the socialised bit of the legal system, the CPS is crap. Socialising things turns them to shit more often than not.

However, in the above scenario it would work out, because everyone would be there of their own free will. In fact, most people probaly live very "communist" lives when it comes to their friends and family and such, and many little villages around the world manage to work well in what would be considered a "socialist" system.

For example, for robotics we all chip in and buy pizza and people just walk in with cases of Mountain Dew to share for everyone, and if someone can't afford food we cover them, or use a little fund we have to cover them and so on. Historically and socially speaking, communism works on a small scale.

Now, it all goes to shit when you try to apply it to more than 100 or so people =p




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#10 10 years ago

Nemmerle;4195023No it wouldn't work. People need an incentive to perform well.[/quote]

Remember that these people would be committed communists. Doing something for the good of the country is a perfectly good incentive. This would probably be amplified while the country was getting off it's feet as well.

Nemmerle;4195023One of the reasons that socialised healthcare is so bad

Nothing wrong with it, as far as I can see.

[quote=Afterburner;4195033]For example, for robotics we all chip in and buy pizza and people just walk in with cases of Mountain Dew to share for everyone, and if someone can't afford food we cover them, or use a little fund we have to cover them and so on. Historically and socially speaking, communism works on a small scale.

Now, it all goes to shit when you try to apply it to more than 100 or so people =p

We have a similar thing in our maths class.

It might go bad with more than 100 people, it might not. It probably depends on the organisation. If you can create a sense of one, or maybe several, close knit communities, it might work better than one massive state.