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Rich19

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#11 8 years ago

If the Mayans were visited by aliens, it seems completely logical that they'd not tell anyone about it or indeed write anything down about the event. :rolleyes:

Something people forget is that people back then were just as intelligent as people are today - they simply haven't made the discoveries we have yet. Building what is essentially a large pile of stone/rock/earth/whatever is completely possible.

Lindale;5367927As for myself, there are elements of my own body, personality, and even my very memories that do not conform to what you can expect from the majority of humans. I will not go into details on this. Suffice it to say, these has raised some questions as to my own origins.

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Lunatic...




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#12 8 years ago

Whenever a high technology society has interacted with a low technology society there have been major shifts in the power distribution in those regions. Aliens came to earth and all they did was build some pyramids before buggering off? What possible motive would they have for doing so? And where would the cultural desire to build these pyramids have come from on behalf of the humans? If you can't build something for thousands of years you don't wake up one day when the aliens get there and think - well gee, now I can build that pile of bricks I've always wanted. These desires don't just arise, they're the result of having a certain capability interacting with elements of the society's environment and history.

When you consider there are other, far simpler explanations, the idea that it must have been done by little green men seems somewhat far-fetched.




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#13 8 years ago
If you can't build something for thousands of years you don't wake up one day when the aliens get there and think - well gee, now I can build that pile of bricks I've always wanted.

So take external contact out of the picture, and they'd have to wake up one day and be like - well gee, I think I'll just have a huge pile a stones weighing tons upon tons each built to last thousands of years so I can be buried in there. And that somehow makes more sense?

When you consider there are other, far simpler explanations, the idea that it must have been done by little green men seems somewhat far-fetched

Oh yeah? Far simpler explanations? Care to share some of these? The great pyramid was supposedly built in some 20 years right? Well care to share how those ancient people managed to hue, drag, lift, and place one of those multi-ton blocks every 9 seconds? And how they managed to hue tunnels in these pyramids when there isn't enough oxygen to sustain a torch? Or how they managed to cut granite to todays standards? And allll of this without any of the technology we have to day, or any outside help of any kind? Modern architects with today's technology say they wouldn't be able to do that in some 20 years..

People weren't dumb in ancient times, building these impressive monuments certainly took a lot of effort without modern technology, but was it impossible without alien help? Hardly. You probably don't understand how e.g. nuclear fission works either, yet you don't claim that aliens were behind that, do you?

It would be considerably less insane to suggest that ancient civilizations had some contact with each other and shared information on how to build these things, but I wouldn't exactly bet on that either.

You seem to have some answers..care to share them with today's archeologists, architects, scientists, and historians? Because they're pretty clueless. Please, impart to us your blessed sanity so that we can understand :bows:. And that's a terrible analogy..of course I don't know the specifics of how nuclear fission works, but I know that the technology exists in my day and age for others smarter than I to be able to figure it out and manipulate it. What technology existed for the egyptians? They didn't even have wheels...




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#14 8 years ago

There was probably some tech back then that allowed them to get the job done with such extraordinary ingenuity, but it got lost in time. I doubt there was alien involvement.




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#15 8 years ago

D.Sporky!;5368131So take external contact out of the picture, and they'd have to wake up one day and be like - well gee, I think I'll just have a huge pile a stones weighing tons upon tons each built to last thousands of years so I can be buried in there. And that somehow makes more sense? [/QUOTE] It doesn't take much imagination to realize that they might have started from small stone heaps, perhaps not unlike those used in many other ancient graves. Add a few people with large egos, time and a lot of hard work.

Nah, I'm sure your dream was right.

D.Sporky!;5368131Oh yeah? Far simpler explanations? Care to share some of these? The great pyramid was supposedly built in some 20 years right? Well care to share how those ancient people managed to hue, drag, lift, and place one of those multi-ton blocks every 9 seconds? And how they managed to hue tunnels in these pyramids when there isn't enough oxygen to sustain a torch? Or how they managed to cut granite to todays standards? And allll of this without any of the technology we have to day, or any outside help of any kind? Modern architects with today's technology say they wouldn't be able to do that in some 20 years..

Every nine seconds? How many blocks are there in one of your pyramids? :lulz:

Either way, I would bet that a pharaoh had slightly more resources at his hands than a random architect. Who needs a bulldozer if you have an army of workers at your command?

[QUOTE=D.Sporky!;5368131]You seem to have some answers..care to share them with today's archeologists, architects, scientists, and historians? Because they're pretty clueless. Please, impart to us your blessed sanity so that we can understand :bows:. And that's a terrible analogy..of course I don't know the specifics of how nuclear fission works, but I know that the technology exists in my day and age for others smarter than I to be able to figure it out and manipulate it. What technology existed for the egyptians? They didn't even have wheels...

They are officially clueless because there, for obvious reasons, remains no documentation. We can thus only speculate. For the same reasons we don't know what technology the Egyptians had available, but I think we can agree that Ancient Egypt was a rather advanced civilization. They certainly had no lack of people smarter than you.

What sort of idiot would try to transport huge blocks of stone on ancient wheels anyway?




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#16 8 years ago

The history channel is owned by right wing extremists/propagandists.




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#17 8 years ago
Huffardo Every nine seconds? How many blocks are there in one of your pyramids?

Ok, I'll do the math for you. According to wikipedia, the great pyramid had some 2.3 million limestone blocks. Divide that by 20 years, that's 115,000 blocks per year - divide that by 365 days in a years, and that's 315 blocks per DAY - divide that by 24 hours in a day, and that's 13.12 blocks per hour - so not quite one every 9 seconds, I guess the guy on the show didn't do the math himself.. and there's supposed to have separated all these blocks by expanding wedges of wood with water and then move these 2.5 ton bricks up a ramp that grew increasingly long with the size of the pyramid.. There is obviously a LOT we don't know about these structures and their construction..so let's not act like we know everything and call alternative, less conventional theorists "insane", shall we?

Either way, I would bet that a pharaoh had slightly more resources at his hands than a random architect. Who needs a bulldozer if you have an army of workers at your command?

I don't know, how many people does it take to carry 13 blocks an hour, weighing about 2.5 tons each, every single hour of every single day for 20 years?

They are officially clueless because there, for obvious reasons, remains no documentation. We can thus only speculate. For the same reasons we don't know what technology the Egyptians had available, but I think we can agree that Ancient Egypt was a rather advanced civilization. They certainly had no lack of people smarter than you.

Indeed. They had a lot of people smarter than all of us, including our scientists and historians and archeologists and architects.

What sort of idiot would try to transport huge blocks of stone on ancient wheels anyway

You're right...it makes a lot more sense to drag them on sleds right? :rolleyes:




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#18 8 years ago

D.Sporky!;5368131So take external contact out of the picture, and they'd have to wake up one day and be like - well gee, I think I'll just have a huge pile a stones weighing tons upon tons each built to last thousands of years so I can be buried in there. And that somehow makes more sense? [/QUOTE]

Even if you discount the historical background of the creation of Egyptian burial sites. We decided to build some pyramids is a much simpler explanation than aliens came and we decided to build some pyramids. Why would aliens coming cause you to build pyramids exactly?

D.Sporky!;5368131Oh yeah? Far simpler explanations? Care to share some of these? The great pyramid was supposedly built in some 20 years right? Well care to share how those ancient people managed to hue, drag, lift, and place one of those multi-ton blocks every 9 seconds?[/QUOTE]

At 2.3 million blocks and twenty years you'd only need to move around twelve blocks an hour which isn't an insurmountable task even if you're just limited to levers and a few thousand people/animals.

D.Sporky!;5368131And how they managed to hue tunnels in these pyramids when there isn't enough oxygen to sustain a torch?

Do it while you're building the thing and air isn't such an issue, or just reflect light down there.

[QUOTE=D.Sporky!;5368131]Or how they managed to cut granite to todays standards?

With sand I imagine.

How to cut Granite with Sand!

You'll probably have to highlight to get the text since they've made it white for some reason.

[QUOTE=D.Sporky!;5368131]And allll of this without any of the technology we have to day, or any outside help of any kind? Modern architects with today's technology say they wouldn't be able to do that in some 20 years..

Which architects, and what sort of labour force are they looking at when they say that?




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#19 8 years ago

Read through this webpage - all these things are coincidences? It would seem that the Pyramid is more than just a giant tetrahedron (that's what it is right?)..

EDIT: Here's another interesting website that discusses some of the mathematics involved with the great pyramid and some other things.

perhaps we should change this thread to the mysteries of the pyramids instead of ancient aliens?




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#20 8 years ago
Rich19;5368018If the Mayans were visited by aliens, it seems completely logical that they'd not tell anyone about it or indeed write anything down about the event. :rolleyes:

Really? And logic needs to apply to every situation? Now who exactly would the the Mayans been able to tell, they couldn't really just walk half way across the world to other ancient places and say they discovered aliens. What if only a select few Mayans saw the aliens? They could have sworn to keep it secret or they could have been killed by their gods, which they'd believe. Thus eventually they die off, along with the secrecy of aliens. Ancient cultures throughout the planet all seem to have something in common, yet they've never come across one another, that we know of. Of course, there are too many narrow minded people on these forums, I tend to agree with Lindale, he isn't "nuts", he just has a really rare view on how it could have happened, one I share with him.