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#1 10 years ago

US Forces have killed what they say is a top Al Qaeda in Iraq leader.

US-led forces kill top al-Qaida leader - Yahoo! News

And in follow up news, Shiite and Sunni tribesmen and now signing up to join local police and militia in former Al Qaeda contested areas. Iraq's Sunnis and Shi'ites sign up in Qaeda battleground - Yahoo! News.9ivDj4BQtlTrKV2WwvIE

Thank you Al Qaeda for giving the Sunni's and Shiite's a common enemy besides the Coalition they can rally together against.




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#2 10 years ago

Good to see though do we need yet another Iraq topic in the Pub? The situation hasn't changed that much lately.




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#3 10 years ago

So killing one of the leaders, organziers, and financers of the foreign fighters in Iraq isnt a change in the situation?

Sunni's and Shiite's joining the local police in defiance of Al Qaeda isnt a change?

Do we need another Iraq topic? Depends. Do we need another thread bashing the situation? no

Do we need a thread showing improvements and successes in Iraq? They are certainly a minority so I see no harm.




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#4 10 years ago

anyone remembers the death of Zarqawi?nonetheless good news pal, and yes the struggle(jihad yeah) continues it must..I would like to see a stable Iraq very much.




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#5 10 years ago
Anlushac11;3950288So killing one of the leaders, organziers, and financers of the foreign fighters in Iraq isnt a change in the situation?

One leader, organizer, financer, whatever gets killed, another gets into ring. Killing Al-Qaeda senior operatives isn't true change, it gives a short pause but that's it.

Sunni's and Shiite's joining the local police in defiance of Al Qaeda isnt a change?

Hurray, few hundred Sunnis and Shiites join their hands in fighting against Al-Qaeda. Sunnis and Shiites were able to form a joint-government year or so ago but what's its status now? What about the Iraqi Armed Forces which should have been ready ages ago?

Do we need a thread showing improvements and successes in Iraq? They are certainly a minority so I see no harm.

I think improvements and successes in Iraq can well be discussed in one of thousands of existing Iraq threads. We both know perfectly well where this discussion will advance so what's really the point?




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#6 10 years ago
What about the Iraqi Armed Forces which should have been ready ages ago?

they are building an armed force from scratch right?




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#7 10 years ago
RelanderWhat about the Iraqi Armed Forces which should have been ready ages ago?

I hope you didnt forget that one of the main Bush mistakes in Iraq was immediately disbanding the whole Iraqi Military. So as said we really ARE starting from scratch. All the Academies had stopped working, no military training to anyone, etc.

And its funny how even the Shi'ites are wanting a piece of Al Qaeda now, before this(with Abu Risha) it was all Sunnis that went out kicking Qaeda ass.




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Relander;3950389One leader, organizer, financer, whatever gets killed, another gets into ring. Killing Al-Qaeda senior operatives isn't true change, it gives a short pause but that's it.

Normally I would agree with you but this guy has been active since 2004 and was a chief organizer, financer, and leader of the foreign fighters. He is not ireplacable but I do think Al Qaeda will have a hard time replacing him.

Hurray, few hundred Sunnis and Shiites join their hands in fighting against Al-Qaeda. Sunnis and Shiites were able to form a joint-government year or so ago but what's its status now? What about the Iraqi Armed Forces which should have been ready ages ago?

Careful your cynicsm is showing :D

C'mon their politicians, they do what all politicians do. They argue, bicker, whine, complain, posture, and then break and go have lunch and tea.

The point your missing is that the Sunni's have mostly avoided having any dealings with the new goverment. They were happy as long as Al Qaeda was killing yankee infidels and causing them problems. Now Al Qaeda kills a number of their own and suddenly its go time. They see the true face of Al Qaeda and now they are joining the police and local goverment militia's. Shiite's are also working more with Sunni's to fight Al Qaeda. Nothing brings opposing factions together quicker than a external threat.

The Iraq Army is ready now...if you want to send them out at the level of competency they had five years ago. The US is training a new Iraqi army and requipping them. When they are ready they will be trained to a quality standard they have never had before. They will also be better trained in anti-insurgency tactics and counter-terrorism.

I think improvements and successes in Iraq can well be discussed in one of thousands of existing Iraq threads. We both know perfectly well where this discussion will advance so what's really the point?

IIRC forum etiquette dictates that if a similar thread is not on the front page then it is OK to open a new topic. Since most of the Iraqi threads are by people complaining of the situation in Iraq and how much the US sucks I felt this needed its own thread.

I would have posted in the thread with the injured little girl but felt that was a more humanitarian gesture where this one still deals with the war in general. Considering some people have hijacked completely unrelated threads and used them to complain of the US actions in Iraq is there really any thread thats safe from devolving into a Iraq argument? This one just happens to be good news for a change.




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#9 10 years ago

are the neighbouring countries other than Iran doing something to prevent foreign help for al-Qaida and other insurgent groups flowing in Iraq? a lot of insurgents have flowed from KSA and other Sunni Muslim Arab nations.

off-topic:I read in another forum that US/western forces along the Iraq Iran border are engaging in firefights with Iranian border guards?Is it true?I mean one or two incidents?




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I have not seen anything about firefights or even exchanges of gunfire with Iranian border troops. Last I had heard Iran had closed the borders near where their supposed Quds officer was arrested by US troops in a dawn raid.

KSA? Kuwait? Saudi Arabia?

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?




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