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masked_marsoe Advanced Member

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#91 14 years ago

Would you like to elaborate on that, or is that it?

Though I agree with you, voting systems, and especially the farce that is American democracy, is a poor exchange for political influence. A tick once every few years is political power? Bollocks.




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#92 14 years ago
Relander;3706700Because it's humane and increases social justice, equality, stability in the society and chances of all people to have a good, even succesful life through receiving public services paid by tax money while reducing confrontration between different groups of people, crime and social problems. Besides putting all low-income people on "lazy dreg" basket isn't sincere nor truthful, people & conditions are different.

yes, but it doesnt excuse the fact society does nothing about the brain drain of many people, infact it seems to reward them i dont see why somebody who worked really hard should have to pay yto support some lazy dregs

The truth however is that no matter the ideals of "American dream", the different kind of people are treated differently due to their race, religion, gender or sexual preference. Guess which one gets work in most cases when there's applicant A who's black and applicant B who's white, both equally competent & able to get the job done? I dare to say that the latter one gets the job in 2/3 of cases if not 3/4 or more.

oh save it, alot dont get the job, then play the "card" jeez, im a "minority", but rather than seperating myself as a sub-group, i resent it, you cant have a divided society, i shall not be part of the liberal agenda.

BladeV2 said it all already: the government is not always right nor that if you criticize the government about the conduct of war that you would be "anti-American": this is just typical false rhetorics of pro-conservatives just like the liberals saying that the conservatives want war or are racist.

well, you dont have to agree with everything, but its finding the party which stresses you mainly agree with and think their world will be most like how you want it! liberals are the ones who see ethnicity, conservitives see loyal americans, they are proud of those who are loyal to the core

Patriotism is a very slippery slope which contributed in a great deal on the outbreak of the First World War and the rise of Hitler and Mussolini. It just happens that patriotism in the USA haven't been abused as drasticly (yet).

thats because American patriotism is based on truth, honor and freedom, not on purity of race and dictatorship




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#93 14 years ago
HighCalibreWeapon;3704044Dont be so stupid. are you trying to imply some kind of "elite republican ruling class" how unoriginal!

I'm implying that there will always be very poor people and very rich people, the ladder can only take so many people up to candyland. Some people can’t even climb the ladder because they are sick, some are not allowed to climb the ladder because of their color of skin, it may be a “men only” ladder, some people might not even know how to climb the ladder, or do it well, and some might even be unfortunate enough to fall of the ladder due to some freak accident.

Facts of life in a capitalistic western society, the kneejerk “its their own fault/lazy” response is ignorant, as is the “they worked hard” response.




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#94 14 years ago
HighCalibreWeaponyes, but it doesnt excuse the fact society does nothing about the brain drain of many people, infact it seems to reward them

Please elaborate.

i dont see why somebody who worked really hard should have to pay yto support some lazy dregs

So are you implying that people who are more or less dependent from public services are "lazy dregs"?

oh save it, alot dont get the job, then play the "card"

It's true that some employers have bias towards work applicants due to their race, religious etc. reason and that some minorities aren't in the same position in a society like "normal people". I don't approve intentionally playing with the minority card either, it's dishonest but in most cases the legislation promoting the rights of the minorities is there for a good reason. As Finnish president Juho Kusti Paasikivi (1946-1956) once said, "All wisdom begins from acknowledging the facts".

jeez, im a "minority", but rather than seperating myself as a sub-group, i resent it, you cant have a divided society, i shall not be part of the liberal agenda.

The sad fact is that not all people are as enlighted as you are in this minority issue.

liberals are the ones who see ethnicity, conservitives see loyal americans, they are proud of those who are loyal to the core

Loyal in what sense and do you suggest that the liberals don't support the troops?

thats because American patriotism is based on truth, honor and freedom, not on purity of race and dictatorship

The point here is that strong patriotism, love for your country & belief that the own country is better than any other and/or you must defend your country in all situations, can easily be abused by the government or certain party in favourable conditions, abusing patriotism isn't limited to authoritarian governments.

For example the Republicans have rided with patriotism in gathering votes while accusing the Democrats "not supporting the troops" or "being un-American" when their anti-war stance have nothing actual to do with patriotism, and the Bush administration appealed to patriotism when the controversial Patriot Act was introduced which limits privacy and personal freedom of people, and which can be interpreted as a step towards authoritarian government (even though this isn't the goal).

I regard myself as a patriot too. I love my country, served 12 months in the Finnish Defence Forces as provisioning NCO and I think that my birth into this fine nation was like winning in a lottery. However in the same time I condemn blind patriotism of some people who believe that Finland is the greatest country in the world, we're always right and it's worth defending this nation in all conditions. Extremism is almost always bad one way or another, no matter the issue (exception reinforces the rule).

MrFancypants could discuss about this issue more profoundly.




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#95 14 years ago
Tas;3707375I'm implying that there will always be very poor people and very rich people, the ladder can only take so many people up to candyland. Some people can’t even climb the ladder because they are sick, some are not allowed to climb the ladder because of their color of skin, it may be a “men only” ladder, some people might not even know how to climb the ladder, or do it well, and some might even be unfortunate enough to fall of the ladder due to some freak accident. Facts of life in a capitalistic western society, the kneejerk “its their own fault/lazy” response is ignorant, as is the “they worked hard” response.

oh please, these ladders arent climbed as those people are to busy dealing their cards, wether those cards be race, religion, gender, poverty or sexuality.




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#96 14 years ago
Relander;3707383Please elaborate.

society through the media glorifies wrong do-ers, leeches and those who play cards for any reason, villianify anybody that stands against them

So are you implying that people who are more or less dependent from public services are "lazy dregs"?

most of them are dregs, always blaming others for the fact thhey lie, rob, cheat and steal, being lowlife scum is not about color, race, gender or sexuality, no matter who they are, the should be eliminated from a decent society

It's true that some employers have bias towards work applicants due to their race, religious etc. reason and that some minorities aren't in the same position in a society like "normal people". I don't approve intentionally playing with the minority card either, it's dishonest but in most cases the legislation promoting the rights of the minorities is there for a good reason. As Finnish president Juho Kusti Paasikivi (1946-1956) once said, "All wisdom begins from acknowledging the facts".

its wrong what racists and sexist do, however this cannot be stopped through special priviliges, there is no excuse, the pure of heart must stand against all those, people need to understand that it should be decency, honor, respect and freedom that unites people and the KKK, Liberals, Communists, nazis and even once freedom fighters like the black panthers, must be stamped out!

The sad fact is that not all people are as enlighted as you are in this minority issue.

the fact i am decent, loving to those who are decent and rightous is what defines me, not ethnictiy

Loyal in what sense and do you suggest that the liberals don't support the troops?

people, eve if they dont agree with a war, should support and honor their nations dead, its not right that people at home can act cold and hostile, to somebody far away from home, facing rogues, terrorists and assorted scum

The point here is that strong patriotism, love for your country & belief that the own country is better than any other and/or you must defend your country in all situations, can easily be abused by the government or certain party in favourable conditions, abusing patriotism isn't limited to authoritarian governments.

patriotism stop a nation and its dream becoming just a page in a history book

For example the Republicans have rided with patriotism in gathering votes while accusing the Democrats "not supporting the troops" or "being un-American" when their anti-war stance have nothing actual to do with patriotism, and the Bush administration appealed to patriotism when the controversial Patriot Act was introduced which limits privacy and personal freedom of people, and which can be interpreted as a step towards authoritarian government (even though this isn't the goal).

most liberal are not patriots, sorry, but they seem to find any excuse to hate people of their own nation

I regard myself as a patriot too. I love my country, served 12 months in the Finnish Defence Forces as provisioning NCO and I think that my birth into this fine nation was like winning in a lottery. However in the same time I condemn blind patriotism of some people who believe that Finland is the greatest country in the world, we're always right and it's worth defending this nation in all conditions. Extremism is almost always bad one way or another, no matter the issue (exception reinforces the rule).

European "patriotism" has become half baked, since the death of empires!




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#97 14 years ago

HighCalibreWeapon;3707387oh please, these ladders arent climbed as those people are to busy dealing their cards, wether those cards be race, religion, gender, poverty or sexuality.[/quote]

Are you denying that there are "factors" that can eliminate ones chance to climb the ladder, or at least seriously disadvantage them at no fault of their own?

For the moment asume there are people crawling at the bottom of the ladder with some serious disadvantages, and they find themselves unable to climb, would you refuse to lend a hand? You could also take a look at the way modern society's have been structured in regard to their number, and income.

[quote=HighCalibreWeapon;3707407] European "patriotism" has become half baked, since the death of empires!

Seems we have gotten smarter then, there was nothing to be proud of during the empires, apart from the achievements of individual men and women whom strived for social and technological progress. Unless you are going to tell me ruthless enslavement and oppression, exploitation of less advanced people’s makes you proud.




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#98 14 years ago
Tas;3707442Are you denying that there are "factors" that can eliminate ones chance to climb the ladder, or at least seriously disadvantage them at no fault of their own? For the moment asume there are people crawling at the bottom of the ladder with some serious disadvantages, and they find themselves unable to climb, would you refuse to lend a hand? You could also take a look at the way modern society's have been structured in regard to their number, and income. Seems we have gotten smarter then, there was nothing to be proud of during the empires, apart from the achievements of individual men and women whom strived for social and technological progress. Unless you are going to tell me ruthless enslavement and oppression, exploitation of less advanced people’s makes you proud.

some expect a elevator to the top rather than climbing up the ladder themselves, a elevator thats power is payed for by the real hard workers! also tas, ive met people with you way of thinking, rather than seeing your nation grow to glory, you wait behind for the dregs and the nation is never the best at anything!




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#99 14 years ago
most liberal are not patriots, sorry, but they seem to find any excuse to hate people of their own nation

I take personal offense from that. I love this country. I don't agree with many policies of the current administration, but does that mean I am not a patriot? I support and honor the troops but just because I oppose the war does that make me unpatriotic?

I fail to see where liberals find excuses to hate people in our nation, they could disagree with conservative policies but that does not mean that they hate the people. I find this hypocritical that is when you yourself seems to hate liberals and communists, which make up a good percentage of the nation.

KKK, Liberals, Communists, nazis and even once freedom fighters like the black panthers, must be stamped out!

Liberals should be stamped out? People do should have a right to their own opinion, shouldn't they? I mean, as you said:

people need to understand that it should be decency, honor, respect and freedom that unites people

You say that freedom fighters should also be stamped out, even though the constitution specifically says that if in a time of corrupt government it is our civic duty to stand up against it. If we are to succeed as a nation than we have to see all perspectives instead of looking at your one and ignoring all others.

facing rogues, terrorists and assorted scum

not everyone fighting American soldiers is in the categories above, many of them are just fighting because they don't want their home to be taken over. Saying that all people who fight off American soldier is those categories is a harsh generalization.




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#100 14 years ago
HighCalibreWeapon;3707797some expect a elevator to the top rather than climbing up the ladder themselves, a elevator thats power is payed for by the real hard workers! also tas, ive met people with you way of thinking, rather than seeing your nation grow to glory, you wait behind for the dregs and the nation is never the best at anything!

Try answering the questions i asked you instead of regurgitating your kneejerk arguments over and over, then we'll talk.