Are Humans Sinners? 22 replies

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Karst

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#11 12 years ago

"Sin" in that sense I consider a religious term and certainly not applicable to any group as a whole, if by sin you mean "do something bad" then obviously this happens all the time, and depending on just what we're talking about has different reasons. A lot of crimes like murder or rape are caused by the social situations they take place in; nobody commits a crime for no reason. That's not to say they aren't completely wrong and condemnable, just not evil or sinful inherently.

GateCrusher420;3807851I think the biggest thing that makes humans sinners are that there a so many queers out there. I think that we need to rid this world of gays. If we were able to do that we would make the human race such a better group of beings.

Here's a perfect example: this person just made an unbelievably bigoted, irrationally hateful and ignorant remark, but why? Because his opinions are shaped by the way he was brought up and his surroundings, and not because he's inherently evil.




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#12 12 years ago

^^^^^ Who here is a Christian? If you are you can find in the Bible a section that had God ask someone to go through a city and find an assigned ammount of straight people as people. He said that was to much. God eventually dropped it down to 7. That guy couldn't find that many straight people in that city. GOD ANNIHALATED THAT CITY BECAUSE IT WAS FULL OF QUEERS. If your not christian then ok. If you are, you know what I'm talking about. I just think that gays are bringing down the human race. Tell me if I'm wrong.




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#13 12 years ago

I don't 'believe' in Religion, so it is hard for me to think of people as being sinners. Certainly there are good people and bad people - determined upon their actions. How I choose to label these people as being good or bad is upto me and depends upon my own experiences and consciousness.

GateCrusher420I think that it depends. I think the biggest thing that makes humans sinners are that there a so many queers out there. I think that we need to rid this world of gays. If we were able to do that we would make the human race such a better group of beings.

See, I now think of you as being a bad person for having that view. No doubt you see yourself as being in the right, because of your religion and what it stands for and teaches.

It worries me that you are only 14, and have already taken this view, because of religion. It makes me be even more against religions and what they stand for. Luckily I know a lot of religious people don't share such ignorant and bigoted views as yourself. I hope that one day you will grow up.




Benzin

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#14 12 years ago

I choose not to believe what people consider what is right and what is wrong, it is an action that has a reaction, no matter what the action was it will cause reactions, the reaction determines whether the action was a "Sin" or "Righteousness". E.G/ A person, let's say a celebrity, they donate $1,000,000 to charity, this could cause several reactions: 1, it is considered generous and a good deed 2, it is considered a publicity stunt and they don't really care and a bad deed you could consider that a Righteous act or a Sinful act, but you cannot determine that on what someone else says.




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#15 12 years ago

I'm not going to change my opinion now or in future. But like I said. Every thing that is being posted on here is a matter of opinion. You can say I'm bad, I can say your bad, I can be considered as sinner, you can be considered a sinner. Its all a matter of opinion. I will always think that gays shouldn't exist. You can think other wise. If your a christian then cool. If your not then cool. I have my thoughts and you have your thoughts. It doesn't matter if I'm 14 or 140. I don't think I derseve the things I'm getting flamed for. Say what you want but it doesn't change anything. Look, I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong. I don't deserve what I'm recieving on here. Yeah. I may be predjudice to gays but oh well. So are a hell of a lot of people. Just don't take it out on me. If you don't want me on here say so.




colonel_bob

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#16 12 years ago
GateCrusher420;3808326Look, I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong. I don't deserve what I'm recieving on here. Yeah. I may be predjudice to gays but oh well. So are a hell of a lot of people. Just don't take it out on me. If you don't want me on here say so.

You deserve "what you're recieving here" alot more than gay people deserve your hatred for them. And, if its alright to be prejudiced against gays, then why isn't it alright to not like someone for being prejudiced against gays? I honestly lose all respect for people when they have such bigoted views against a certain group for what amounts to basically no reason at all. Do you even know any gay guys or girls? I know about three or four, and they are all actually better people than alot of people I know.




Ryette

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#17 12 years ago
GateCrusher420;3808326It doesn't matter if I'm 14 or 140. I don't think I derseve the things I'm getting flamed for. Say what you want but it doesn't change anything. Look, I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong. I don't deserve what I'm recieving on here. Yeah. I may be predjudice to gays but oh well. So are a hell of a lot of people. Just don't take it out on me. If you don't want me on here say so.

As unfair as it seems, your age does play a factor in what you say. I know it's frustrating (it happens to me, too), but they have a point in that the younger you are, the less you're likely to have experienced the "real world." It's just something we have to accept. If you'd prefer it to be left out of someone's opinion of you, you can opt to have your age not shown.

Also, when you state your opinion on a forum that is predominantly used for debate, you become a representative of that opinion and people will challenge you. That's the point. Some people will like what you say, some people won't. If you react maturely to the people who disagree, however, I guarantee you'll earn a lot more respect.

Moving on.

People aren't naturally sinners, especially if you're referring to the theory of atonement. A sin is only based upon a moral code created by a certain religion, one that we are not naturally bound to, but thrust into by introduction by our parents (usually).

That said, all humans are capable of performing "sinful" acts, though usually the desire to live life as a good person outweighs the capability to do evil. This freedom of choice makes it impossible to make a judgment across the entirety of the human race.

Furthermore, "good" and "bad" are opinions of the moral fabric of a culture as a whole, and differs between populations. So, in conclusion, humans are neither good, nor bad.




Rich19

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#18 12 years ago

GateCrusher420;3808280If your not christian then ok. If you are, you know what I'm talking about. I just think that gays are bringing down the human race. Tell me if I'm wrong.[/quote]

To GateCrusher420: You are wrong. Tell me precisely what homosexuals are doing that is bringing down the human race.

To everyone else: This is exactly the thing I was talking about. People in general just don't get on with people that are slightly different to them. Be it religious differences or ethnic differences.

GateCrusher420;3808326It doesn't matter if I'm 14 or 140. I don't think I derseve the things I'm getting flamed for. Say what you want but it doesn't change anything.[/quote]

It does matter, it matters because of two points. First, I seriously doubt you have ever met a homosexual and thus you are relying on prejudice and stereotypes to justify your opinion. Second, the fact you are so young goes back to my previous point that people just don't like different people. I'm sorry to say that I think you've had these views pushed onto you by someone else rather than you forming them on your own. [quote=GateCrusher420;3808326] Look, I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong. I don't deserve what I'm recieving on here.

You just admitted to thinking genocide will make the world a better place. How exactly do you not deserve a little hostility from people? [quote=GateCrusher420;3808326] Yeah. I may be predjudice to gays but oh well. So are a hell of a lot of people.

Yeah. I may think you deserve everything you've got so far and more, but oh well. So do a hell of a lot of people.




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#19 12 years ago

Well, GateCrusher, as a Christian to a Christian gays are not taking down the human race anymore then liers are. Sure, I believe they are sinning, but hatred is as well. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they are not human or are any worse then someone who lies about this or that (Not saying that you are lying, just an example). Sure, sin has conseqences, some more then others, but either way "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and "No one is good, no not one. All like sheep have fallen astray". Based on my moral maturity, I am no more "good" then they are. In fact I am bad. Remember what Paul said? He said that he was the worst of sinners, that means even worse then Hitler. We should have the same view about ourselves, but don't stop there! Look at what Christ did for us! (See my sig)




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#20 12 years ago

Thanks you guys. Yall are great