Are we too dependent on Russian energy? 7 replies

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Relander

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#1 11 years ago

At October 21, 2006 EU-leaders met Russian president Vladimir Putin to discuss from increasing energy cooperation between Russia & EU and about issues & conditions concerning it. No decisive results were gained but the overall trend is clear: EU is becoming more dependent on Russian energy. European countries get large amount of their energy from Russia and most of the eastern European countries get almost all their energy from there. Finland gets all of its oil from Russia and 80 % of its natural gas.

Is Europe too dependent on Russian energy? Does this development concern you? What meaningful alternatives we have, really?

P.S. I would really like to see other subjects than endless Iraq/Bush/terrorism topics...




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#2 11 years ago

Russia has you guys by the enegry balls like OPEC has the US. If I rember correctly, he did something like triple the price of natual gas to some eastern europen counties as a way to get them to cooperate with russia.

The only thing you can do right now if explore your country's territory for oil. In 10 to 20 years you could have alternatives, but for now the soviets(the best word to describe them after their recent actions) have your balls.




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#3 11 years ago

Relander;3397558At October 21, 2006 EU-leaders met Russian president Vladimir Putin to discuss from increasing energy cooperation between Russia & EU and about issues & conditions concerning it. No decisive results were gained but the overall trend is clear: EU is becoming more dependent on Russian energy. European countries get large amount of their energy from Russia and most of the eastern European countries get almost all their energy from there. Finland gets all of its oil from Russia and 80 % of its natural gas.

Is Europe too dependent on Russian energy? Does this development concern you? What meaningful alternatives we have, really?

P.S. I would really like to see other subjects than endless Iraq/Bush/terrorism topics...

To be honest, the only countries who really gets affected by Putins madness in this matter are Finland and Ukraine and Poland and some of the other East-European countries. I know that we don't get affected by it. I think Finland and Poland is the last "stop" for the gas. It doesn't get further in to Europe then that. But overall, yes, those countries are too dependent of the Russian energy. Finland should by more power from Sweden instead of buying from Russia. It might be more expensive, but its cleaner, safer and reliable. On the other hand, Sweden already buys most of its energy from Germany, so I guess that it won't be such a positive deal for Sweden in the end:uhm:




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#4 11 years ago

PethegreatThe only thing you can do right now if explore your country's territory for oil. In 10 to 20 years you could have alternatives, but for now the soviets(the best word to describe them after their recent actions) have your balls.[/QUOTE] I don't think Finland or many other European countries searching oil is meaningful option as most of oil sources have already been found in Europe. What we need more is bioethanol production, hydroelectric power, nuclear power and getting European energy companies into Russian market. The latter one is important though unrealistic option at the moment as Russia is very touchy about keeping its oil in its own hands.

Bioethanol is propably the best option we have at the moment, it would also create additional jobs & save much of the countryside's farms.

[quote=*SW3D3*]To be honest, the only countries who really gets affected by Putins madness in this matter are Finland and Ukraine and Poland and some of the other East-European countries. I know that we don't get affected by it. I think Finland and Poland is the last "stop" for the gas. It doesn't get further in to Europe then that.

Actually that's not the case, most of the oil and natural gas goes deeper into Europe than just Poland and Finland: overally we aren't that big customer for Russian energy giants even though we get most of our energy from Russia. Germany gets most of its oil from Russia which accounts 40-45 % of Germany's energy consumption (41 % at 1999 according to Wikipedia) and Russia is Germany's biggest importer of natural gas, not to mention the projected pipeline from Russia to Germany via Baltic Sea. Germany's energy policy and amount of energy imports from Russia affect into Sweden too.

According to Department of Trade & Industry of UK, about 40 % of country's coal and solid fuel imports come from Russia. Even though the UK has big coal production of its own, its on the decline. The overall trend in Europe is as the economy is growing all the time, it needs more energy to satisfy the increasing demands from industry and the only source of energy that can meet these demands is Russia. EU hasn't conducted series of energy talks with Russia at this year for only minor gains: Russian energy is important question for whole Europe.

I'm little concerned about Finland's dependency from Russian energy and that is why I support more deeper energy cooperation with other European countries, investing on renewable energy sources and domestic energy production. We must not give too much power for Russia in energy issues.




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#5 11 years ago

Germany receives a lot of energy from Russia which is a bit scary if you think how Putin treats people, organizations or countries that don't agree with him. Germany agrees with everything Russia does and ignores the unpleasant parts for the sake of friendship already (and did so especially under Schröder), so I guess there won't be any conflicts in the near future. Especially since the dependency goes both ways at the moment, Russia needs money as much as we need energy.




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#6 11 years ago

Europe is probably too dependent on russian energy, but its doubtful that it will have any consiquences. While its never good to be dependent on another nation. I agree with Fancypants Russia gets too much economic value out of selling to the europian nations to cut them off, though the europian union should probably look into developing Nuclear or Hydro electric energy.




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#7 11 years ago

France gets something like 80% of its power from nuclear generators. Go that way. Also considering all those rivers all over the continent, hydro might be a great source (unlike the US, Europe is smaller, has more rivers spread throughout, and I believe has higher velocity rivers in general)




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#8 11 years ago

Hmm, how would damming the Rhine, Rhone, Danube, etc, go over with environmentalists, though?