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#1 9 years ago

Video: Arrested for asking a policeman for his badge number | Environment | guardian.co.uk

The Guardian has obtained this police footage of Emily Apple and Val Swain being arrested by surveillance officers after asking for their badge numbers at the Kingsnorth climate camp last year. The two women speak to Paul Lewis about their arrest, imprisonment and official complaint

It's almost as bad as a drunk off-duty cop beating up a bartender (Chicago, United States). I'm sure he's enjoying his cozy probation sentence.

Smell that? That's the stench of tyranny.




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#2 9 years ago

brootal!!!!!!!!!




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#3 9 years ago

The Schutzstaffel strikes again!




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#4 9 years ago

Reminds me of footage I saw of an officer laughing at some protestors in Florida for asking for his badge number. His response, word for word, was "What, you think this is the army?" I was pretty stunned when I watched it, at just how stupid a comment that was. At least the protesters weren't arrested in that case though. :(




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#5 9 years ago

The footage is a bit choatic and doesn't show what happend right before they asked for officer IDs so it's hard to verify if they indeed only took pictures and notes or if they cursed or provoked the officers with language or other such things.

Having said that, this reminds me an other thread in the past were British police monitored (and arrested) protesters infront of a company (in the side of a public road). Why all that monitoring and having an army of officers around those things? Unless there is an exceptional reason, such as clues that members of this group may have commited crimes (you know, tresspassing and then setting fire to the property of a company they protest against) so it can't aid in their investigation and prosecution of radical, law breaking protest/action groups, that's one thing. Though such footage also would have to be deleted if it was of no use to detectives for prosecuting suspected radicals/extremist attending such an event.

But even so, the public has the rigth to ask an officer (or anybody else executing a job, such as the gasman asking to be let it) to identify himself by showing his badge. And they have to comply (well unless we are talking about an arrest team like the swat, which have to remaun unidentified). So asking them for ID and recording their actions is all legal. Unless you are hinderin them while doing so (ea blocking them so they can't get through).

Now I think of it, the video also doesn't seem to have captured the moment of arrest and how it escalates into having the arrested being restrained with force. You see both of them suddenly being grabbed by the upper arm and (unaudible.. "overthere please" being said by an officer to them. THen it cuts to them being on the ground. It doesn't quite clearly show if they got a clear warning (ea "you are obstructing us without legal right" or in which manner they were arrested (ea: "alirght, you're under arrest now for obstructing officers on duty, please walk withus to the police car / turn around and prepare to eb cuffed and then walk over to a police car)" and if they resisted heavily while being cuffed thus escalating the situation in them being forced to the ground and all that.

How should this have gone? Well the officer(s) should have identified themselves when asked, on refusal they didn't abide the law themselves so the public was in their full right to photograph or film the situation so that they can file a complaint and show exactly which officer they have a complaint about. After this they then should have let the officers do their thing (ea not blocking them or such) so that they could continu whatever they were tasked with doing there. Then there wuld have been no obstruction. So yes, it seems like the officer(s) didn't abide to a legal request and therefor were wrong to do what they did and effectively abused their authority (unlawful arrest).




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#6 9 years ago

Jeffro;4933684

Smell that? That's the stench of tyranny.

It just shows a fight, I dont see any footage beforehand that would verify your stupid claim that the person is arrested for asking for a badge number. :rolleyes:

What is it with you jackasses and demonizing police? I hope you get shot and the 911 operator just goes "lolz" and hangs up on you. Or even better, gets the police over to you, and have them shot "he has a gun!", and empty their clips into you.

Isolated incidents everywhere happen, but its like with you people and terrorists. If I say every arab guy is a suicide bomber, thats horrible and wrong. But like 4 people on these forums say the equivelent about police, and it seems to be ok.

Or even better, gets the police over to you, and have them shot "he has a gun!", and empty their clips into you.




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#7 9 years ago

yeah, they could have caused trouble before hand, aggrevation the officers, then when the officers take action, they start asking for badge numbers. however the footage only starts when they are asking for badge numbers.




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#8 9 years ago
Never Surrender;4934038 however the footage only starts when they are asking for badge numbers.

Exactly. There is a whole story beforehand, but that is conveniently edited out to make the police look bad.

Stupid democrats do this shit all the time.




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#9 9 years ago
NiteStryker;4934042Exactly. There is a whole story beforehand, but that is conveniently edited out to make the police look bad. Stupid democrats do this shit all the time.

there as another video, on the same site i think, showing some "British army hero", being pinned down by the "brutish cops", the truth was, the bloke was pissed out of his head, shoving his nose in and acting aggressive to the police, they warned him, he didnt stop, so they bust his skull. the paper made it look like police brutality, used the fact he was a soldier, to try and win patriotic support, yeah, because being in the army means you can cause trouble on civvie street?, I dont tihnk so.




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#10 9 years ago
Admiral Donutz;4933853But even so, the public has the rigth to ask an officer (or anybody else executing a job, such as the gasman asking to be let it) to identify himself by showing his badge.

The woman essentially asked for his collar number, which he is under no obligation to give her. She could have asked for his warrant card, but since she said she wanted it to file a complaint and since - at least according to the film - he hadn't done anything worthy of complaint yet the request would be deemed unreasonable. Since he knows the complaint would be eronious granting the request would arguably have been aiding her to comit a crime. Meaning he would only really have been breaking the law if he HAD shown it to her.

It may not have been the world's finest arrest but she got off much more lightly than she could have done.They didn't do her for assaulting a police officer, (since I saw her appear to kick one of them,) they didn't do her for resisting arrest, which again they could have done. True, she didn't really hurt any of them and I think you'd be hard put to get the CPS to prosecute because of a lack of public interest, but if you want to talk about what the law says....

In my opinion she was intentionally being an awkward shit and got smacked down for it. Boo hoo.