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Admiral Donutz Advanced Member

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#21 11 years ago

Anlushac11;4934556And here I thought heavy handed cops were a US trademark. I guess we dont have the market cornered.

While I think the women were probably liberal twits who probably run on at the mouth a bit much it also seems the two were singled out for the very reason that they belong to a organization that watches the watchers.

The claim was that the man was not wearing any identifiable markingas or ID and she would have been in her right to ask for identification. When she asked for another photograph and she and her friend were grabbed and taken across the road and restrained. IMHO they did nothing wrong to incur the treatment. After they were arrested yes she could be arrested for resisting arrest. But I see no reason the two women were treated as they were other than the video show them being ID'd and singled out. I do fully believe that the two were removed and detained to prevent anyone from recording any happenings at the protests.

Cops in the US have repeatedly done the same thing but there seems to be better accountability in the UK. US cops can literally get away with murder once the blue line kicks in. I have seen people arrested just for taking pictures and I have seen cops confiscate cameras.

In the US a cop in uniform has a badge he wears with a badge number. He is supposed to wear that badge while in uniform and in plain clothes usually will have it on him. Its as simple as reading the number on the badge.

My city of Indianapolis has had its fair share of jackass cops.

Like the 4 cops who were drunk and jumped a black guy on the street and when a white guy who happened by tried to help the black guy he wound up getting arrested and beaten up. Turns out the 4 drunk guys were undercover cops who ID themselves when cops showed up and the two suspects were arrested and supposedly beaten while in custody.

Police Brutality in Indianapolis

Or the infamous story of the 16 year old kid who was sitting in the back seat of a cop car with his hands cuffed behind him and he still managed to shoot himself in the side of the head. FBI investigated that one.

Here is a link to some of the incidents. Shielded from Justice: Indianapolis

IMHO this is a good article.

America?s Police Brutality Pandemic By Paul Craig Roberts Dandelion Salad[/QUOTE]:thumbsup:

[QUOTE=Jeffro;4934744]It hasn't happened to most people because they rightfully piss themselves whenever a cop is present. Cops are the law and can hide behind the shield any time they want. If they happen to commit some unsavory crime, they are protected by the blue wall of comradery. Like a fraternity, each cop will protect the other even at the cost of an innocent civilian. They hold the power to lie their asses off and get away with it.

Agreed, though one must keep in mind that it's not smart to question/critize your colleagues in public either though. This goes for any staff including the police. Ea one officer says/does a certain thing, though his buddy may think that isn't right in which case they should have a quick chat away from the person they are interacting with. Though his mostly covers minor things. Incase of police brutality and abuseof power they should simply step in. Same as with any other career, if a colleague makes a major, significant error or abuses power he or she should be stopped by his/her colleagues.

If you watch some of the videos included in the report Anlushac linked you see some examples of this, for instance the town meeting video: the cop is beating the guy on the head even when he's down on the ground and can't move or resist anymore. His buddies simply pat him on the shoulder and upper arm to indicate he should stop, rather then just grabbing his arms and actively trying to stop the beating.

I trust a cop as much as I trust any other stranger.

There are some very simple rules/guidelines: Always question any authority. And treat people with the same respect they show towards you.

If a cop (or whoever else) is being civil and respectful towards you he deserves the same treatment in return. If he's being a prick and total asshole why wouldn't you return the favour (after giving him the oppertunity to correct himself incase he wasn't aware he was being a prick, ea "excuse my officer but blalablabla" no result? By a prick back.

I have no respect for anybody who abuses his authority and I will not cooperate like a lamb. Sadly some cops and get a real boner from having the authority that they have and can't be reasoned with as they see themselves to somehow be "better" (they get a kick from having power and even more so from using their powers). Granted, most cops and such are fine people who do things by the book. But that doesn't mean we can point out anyone that does not properly serve and protects the public in an attempt to remove all those black sheep that never should have ended up in any uniform in the first place as they simply can't properly handle authority.

If cops are complacent enough to follow the hypocritical and bullshit enforcement of the "War on Drugs", then they are out to trample my freedom. "To serve and protect" in some cases, "To annoy and harass" in many others. Why solve real crimes when you can cuff a lone reefer smoker minding his own business in the park or some guy taking a swig out of a wine bottle in public. It's great for the prison industrial complex and provides jobs!

And please spare me "the law is the law" diatribe. It's a lame argument that holds no water.

Well the law is the law, and it has to be enforced even if the law seems like bullshit, but then the public should have it changed. Sure enough their are bullshit laws around.

Though in same cases the police does interpreted the law too strictly, I remember quite well an incident that reached the newspapers: A women was walking through a park, just strolling around. She saw a milk carton laying on the ground and thought to do a good civil "duty" to pick the litter up and to dispense of it in the bin a few meters down the path. A cop saw her dropping the milk carton in the bin and fined her for "dumping household garbage in a public litter bin which is only meant for public litter and not household litter". She explained that she just picked the carton up down the path, his response was "that might be but a milk carton is household garbag, it doesn't belong in a public bin as the law states.". SHe asked "so I should have left the carton laying on the pedestrian path than?" to which he replied with a "yes". :cort: Clearly the cop was being overly eager, technically he might have been correct but the law obviously was meant to stop people from dumping entire garbage bags of household garbage in public bins which are indeed meant for small litter like a candybar wrapping. This cop either was too keen on handing out fines or much too anal about what the justice department tried to achieve with certain laws (ea who or what it was targetting).

I'm also suprised that the public that was around to such acts of police abuse didn't interveine: ea why didn't anybody stop the cop from beating the guy on the head outside the communityhall? Or stopping the tazering of the student in that library? And so on. THough this may also be because many people in general are too scared, uncertain or what else not to act when they see a person being assaulted right infront of their own eyes. But should it not be easier to stop a cop? Stopping somebody in a normal bar fight might mean you getting stabbed because of a total wacko being offended. A cop should be much much more unlikely to assault (stab/shoot/...) you when you try to stop them from beating the crap out of a subdued victem.

And then there are ofcourse sheeple. Watching some of those programs on scams were they secretly film actors scamming people shows they easily give in to authority and follow it's commands even if those are a bit unreasonable or unlawfull: showing the contents of a bag or purse when asked to do so simply because the guy looks like a guard or officer and so on. No protesting of "what right do you have to ask me to open my bag and you going through it's contents?". If it's a valid request I'm sure any authority would be (or atleast should be) kindly explaining you why they have that right and why they are applying that right or direct you where to go incase you question the legality of the request. Afterall: to serve and protect. If that's indeed true a good cop will gladly serve your fair and reasonable requests. SO it's not more than fair to question authority.




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#22 11 years ago
Anlushac11;4934556I do fully believe that the two were removed and detained to prevent anyone from recording any happenings at the protests.

They can't have been that bothered about people recording what was going on at the event, since the footage you're seeing is from a policeman's helmet camera.




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#23 11 years ago

Jeffro;4934744It hasn't happened to most people because they rightfully piss themselves whenever a cop is present. Cops are the law and can hide behind the shield any time they want. If they happen to commit some unsavory crime, they are protected by the blue wall of comradery. Like a fraternity, each cop will protect the other even at the cost of an innocent civilian. They hold the power to lie their asses off and get away with it. [/QUOTE] No Jeffero they are just all out to get you. Just you. :rolleyes:

Jeffro;4934744 I trust a cop as much as I trust any other stranger. [/QUOTE] Thats a smart strategy. So when your parents house gets robbed and both your parents shot in the head....who do you call?

Just sayin, thats quite a stretch. Live with the theroy that police are evil and keep your aluminum tinfoil hat on so the government cant listen to your brain waves.

Jeffro;4934744 If cops are complacent enough to follow the hypocritical and bullshit enforcement of the "War on Drugs", then they are out to trample my freedom. [/QUOTE] The "war on drugs" was a national effort mainly to interdict the large amounts of illegal drugs coming over the border. You want to be pissed at someone for stopping you from fulfilling your pitiful drug addiction, blame the government. The police merely obey the laws, they dont make them. They dont get to pick what to enforce and what to let go either. But, in your world, the police are all SS agents hellbent on unloading their weapons into old ladies.

Jeffro;4934744 "To serve and protect" in some cases, "To annoy and harass" in many others.

You are just pissed because you cant be a drug addict in public. Fuck the peoples rights around you to NOT have to deal with that, its all about you, huh.

[QUOTE=Jeffro;4934744] Why solve real crimes when you can cuff a lone reefer smoker minding his own business in the park or some guy taking a swig out of a wine bottle in public.

Because its illegal, and its the policemans' job to enforce the law, not make or interpret the law. It doesnt matter if hes "minding his own buisness", its still illegal. You have a problem with that talk to lawmakers, not police. Altho they will laugh at you, as I am currently doing.

All potheads are the same. "Go solve a real crime leave the lone potsmoker alone". Yea, leave the guy who just robbed a liquor store alone too. What you are doing is illegal and if I had any say you would be at the minimum jailed for it because you cant follow simple laws and then cry about it when you get in trouble. You dont like the law? Attempt to change it or GTFO of my country. But dont sit and cry about the people whos only job is to enforce the law.

And when I become a cop after I get out the Marine Corps, I will bust any lone pot smoker in the park as well, and I will LOVE doing it.

[QUOTE=Jeffro;4934744] And please spare me "the law is the law" diatribe. It's a lame argument that holds no water.

Read above. Dont like it, GTFO. We are a society with laws that are to be followed, or punished for not being followed. Your argument of "why cant I do wtf-ever I want, its only " holds no intelligence.

[QUOTE=Jeffro;4934744] I don't know the police/military relationship, so I can't tell ya.

I know a few people who got out of speeding tickets cuz they were military, (Ive never gotten a speeding ticket so I wouldnt know), during daytime police and military are cool, but nighttime alot of the times police are being called because a military person is shit faced drunk. Not so good then.




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#24 11 years ago
Nemmerle;4935090They can't have been that bothered about people recording what was going on at the event, since the footage you're seeing is from a policeman's helmet camera.

True...but we also only see what the police want us to see.

Ironic at one point someone was yelling about someone standing on their neck and the cop with the camera yells "The camera are rolling" and the pressure on the persons neck stops.




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#25 11 years ago

Anlushac11;4935387True...but we also only see what the police want us to see.

Ironic at one point someone was yelling about someone standing on their neck and the cop with the camera yells "The camera are rolling" and the pressure on the persons neck stops.

Do you think the police wanted you to see that sequence of clips?




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#26 11 years ago

Interesting that Jeffro hasnt said anything about my oh-so-polite response.




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#27 11 years ago
Nemmerle;4935405Do you think the police wanted you to see that sequence of clips?

Noway those clips! Cops smokin' dope clips are in the cops private stash.




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#28 11 years ago
NiteStryker;4936836Interesting that Jeffro hasnt said anything about my oh-so-polite response.

Because you are a dipshit cunt. There is no need for any rebuttal.

Play a nice game of hide and go fuck yourself in the Middle East. Maybe you'll be a proud soldier peeled off of an Iraqi highway someday...




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#29 11 years ago

I agree with NiteStryker on this one, we're putting too much blame on the police for doing what their job is. They don't decide what laws to enforce or how to enforce them, they just do as they're directed. If they were to do as you (Jeffro) suggest they would be fired for not doing their duty. And as long as you don't act too crazy they tend to leave you alone unless you find an officer who gets a hardon for action, who starts something out of littering or going 5 over in 45 speed limit. There's no reason to have a distrust in the police unless they have shown you time and time again that they are dishonest (bribes, unneccessary violence, unfair between people, etc.).




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#30 11 years ago

NiteStryker;4935111The police merely obey the laws, they dont make them. They dont get to pick what to enforce and what to let go either.[/QUOTE]

NiteStryker;4935111I know a few people who got out of speeding tickets cuz they were military,

How does that line up then?

[QUOTE=NiteStryker;4935111]Read above. Dont like it, GTFO. We are a society with laws that are to be followed, or punished for not being followed. Your argument of "why cant I do wtf-ever I want, its only " holds no intelligence.

You can use the same argument to justify anything. Apartheid for instance. Unless there is a good reason behind the law it should not exist.