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#1 12 years ago

At least 118 die in Siberia plane crash

MOSCOW - A Russian passenger plane skidded off a rain-slicked Siberian runway early Sunday and plowed through a concrete barrier, bursting into flames. At least 118 people were killed and about 14 still unaccounted for, officials said.

The S7 Airbus A-310 was carrying 200 people — a crew of eight and 192 passengers — on a flight from Moscow to Irkutsk. Many were children headed to nearby Lake Baikal on vacation, according to Russian news reports.

Rescue workers recovered at least 118 bodies, said a duty officer in the regional branch of Russia's Emergency Situations Ministry. He said that 68 people were known to have survived the crash, including a pilot; 53 were hospitalized with burns and smoke poisoning.

Some owed their lives to a flight attendant who had the presence of mind to open an escape hatch, the ministry said

The plane veered off the runway on landing and tore through a six-foot-high concrete barrier. It then crashed into a compound of one-story garages, stopping a short distance from some small houses.

A witness said he heard a bang and the ground trembled.

"I saw smoke coming from the aircraft. People were already walking out who were charred, injured, burnt," Mikhail Yegeryov told NTV television.

"I asked a person who was in the Airbus what happened, and he said the plane had landed on the tarmac but didn't brake. The cabin then burst into flames," Yegeryov said.

The aircraft's two black boxes had been recovered and were being deciphered.

Transport Minister Igor Levitin suggested the rainy weather was a factor but did not rule out a technical problem.

"The landing strip was wet. So we'll have to check the clutch and the technical condition of the aircraft," he told Russian state television.

Levitin added that the pilot had radioed ground control to say the aircraft had landed safely before communication was cut off.

Airline official Alexander Zyubr said the plane was in good condition, according to RIA-Novosti.

Irina Andrianova, a spokeswoman for the Emergency Situations Ministry, said it took firefighters more than two hours to put out the blaze. There were two explosions caused by the ton of fuel in the plane, Moscow radio reported.

Russian television showed smoke rising from the wreckage and firefighters clambering on top.

"It was traveling at a terrific speed," the spokeswoman said. She said the front end of the plane was crumpled in the crash 2,600 miles east of Moscow.

Details began to emerge of the chaotic aftermath of the crash. One flight attendant opened the rear escape hatch and let a number of passengers out, the ministry's regional branch said.

Ten passengers managed to escape this way and other survivors, including a pilot, were saved by firefighters and rescuers, ITAR-Tass reported.

Russian President Vladimir Putin conveyed his condolences to the victims' relatives, who gathered at Moscow's Domodedovo airport, where the plane took off.

A man who said his brother, sister-in-law and their 4-year-old son were on the plane sat on a curb outside a crisis center near the airport fighting back tears.

"They're not on the list" of people in hospital, said the man, who gave his name only as Vyascheslav.

His friend Larissa Kolcheva, a 27-year-old Muscovite, said the three had flown to Moscow from the Moldovan capital Chisinau on Saturday morning and had been on their way to visit relatives in Irkutsk.

"We met them yesterday morning at this very airport. It was great. We spent the day with them seeing Moscow ... Everything was beautiful," she said starting to cry.

In May, another Airbus aircraft crashed in stormy weather off Russia's Black Sea coast, killing all 113 people on board. Airline officials blamed the crash of the Armenian passenger plane on driving rain and low visibility.

In March 1994, a half-empty Airbus A-310 belonging to Russian state airline Aeroflot crashed near the Siberian city of Novokuznetsk, killing 70 people. Investigators said the crash was caused mainly by the pilot's teenage son inadvertently disconnecting the autopilot.

Sunday's disaster was the fourth air crash in Irkutsk in the past 12 years.

In January 1994, a TU-154 aircraft crashed on takeoff from Irkutsk, killing 124 people. In December 1997, an An-124 military transport aircraft crashed in a residential area of the city, killing 72 people. And in July 2001, a Tu-154 Russian passenger plane crashed near Irkutsk, killing all 143 people on board.

S7, formerly known as Sibir, is Russia's second-largest airline, carved out of Aeroflot's Siberian wing after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Cash-strapped and saddled with aging aircraft, regional airlines whittled out of Aeroflot were once notorious for their disregard for safety but their records have improved in recent years.

Even thought statistically air travel is safer than road rail or ship, it is so tragic when something like this happens due to the numbers involved. In an RTA there might be 1 or 2 people killed. Something like this takes the lives of over a hundred. I'm interested to know what the cause of the crash was.




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#2 12 years ago

if it was over siberia, cold weather, turbulance, unseen mountains, you never know, pretty hash condistions there




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#3 12 years ago

I only heard a speculation about bad weather causing the runway to be wet which in turn caused the plane to leave it and crash into a building where it burst into flames. I also wouldn't be surprised if the plane wasn't properly maintenanced, it happens with smaller Russian airlines from time to time.

As far as I know the Airbus-fuselage consists of some kind of carbon-polymere which is resistant to heat, but only for a short time. So while the fuel burns outside of the plane the passengers have about 30 seconds to react before they are incinerated. I guess most people don't know about this and wait for instructions.




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#4 12 years ago

yeah, but its a shame when things like that happen




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#5 12 years ago

Except, Irkin, they tend to fly quite high above those unseen mountains.

Last winter a Southwest Airlines flight 1248 737 made a rather memorable landing at Midway Airport (Chicago's "other" international airport, much smaller than O'Hare). Except it was still quite icy on the runway, and it skidded to a stop on Central Avenue, it's nosegear crushing a passanger car and killing a child.

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Terribly tragic in both cases. Air travel is still the safest way to move about the world, by a rather large margin as a matter of fact.

Fancypants, all airlines maintain a general standard of safety that, in the end, makes them just about as safe (in terms of aircraft quality and upkeep) as the other airlines. If they would fail to do so, then other nations might pull their license, if you will, to operate in said countries. Accidents like this are either true freak accidents, or caused by pilot error.




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#6 12 years ago
USMA2010 Fancypants, all airlines maintain a general standard of safety that, in the end, makes them just about as safe (in terms of aircraft quality and upkeep) as the other airlines. If they would fail to do so, then other nations might pull their license, if you will, to operate in said countries. Accidents like this are either true freak accidents, or caused by pilot error.

Yep, but not necessarily all national airlines do that. As far as I know this Air Siberia flies mostly within Russia and with those kinds of airlines you have to be careful if the country isn't very wealthy.

There's even a bunch of African international airlines that doesn't care about maintenance, they are still flying to other countries because it takes a while until their license is taken away.




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#7 12 years ago

You're nieve if you believe all airlines stick to guidelines of safety. Many accidents over the last decade have been caused due to cutting corners. One example I recall immediately is when engineers of one Airline got lazy and fitted the wrong bolts to an aircraft's replacement cockpit window, resulting in the window blowing out.

This isn't a perfect world, and I doubt any airline in the world follows standards of safety to a T.


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#8 12 years ago

It was likely due to the poor weather that is often looming over siberia. It is a shame that so many people have died today.

If you think about it flying even with crashes like this is safer than driving. Hundreds of people die every day in car crashes but you never think of it in numbers like 200 die in car crash today. Yet we make a big deal about 100 dieing on a plane. Consider how many plane crashes we have had in 10 years and then compare that number to car crashes or fires. The amount of people who die in aircraft related venues is substantially lower.




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#9 12 years ago
Consider how many plane crashes we have had in 10 years and then compare that number to car crashes or fires.

But also consider how many more cars there are than aircraft, and consider also how cars travel much closer to each other than aircraft do. You can't fairly compare the two really, most people say "It's safer to fly than drive" because it makes people feel better, but in reality you can't properly compare the two.


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#10 12 years ago

Saw this on the news this morning at work. It's a real damn shame.




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