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#181 11 years ago

Lampshade111;4773245FFS even the mob at Wikipedia supports some of my arguments on the matter!

Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [/quote]

WikipediaIt was intended to maintain Catholic orthodoxy in their kingdoms, and to replace the medieval inquisition which was under papal control. The new body was under the direct control of the Spanish monarchy. It was not definitively abolished until 1834, during the reign of Isabel II.[/quote]
WikipediaThe Inquisition worked in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of recent converts.[/quote][quote=Wikipedia]People became anxious and suspicious about the hundreds of thousands of Jews who had recently converted to Christianity, called conversos or, derogatively, marranos. Many people doubted the sincerity of these conversions. Indeed, many Jews accepted baptism to escape violent anti-Jewish outbursts around 1400. In 1492, by the Alhambra Decree, the government ordered all remaining Jews who would not convert to Christianity to leave the kingdoms.
[quote=Wikipedia]Ferdinand II of Aragon pressured Pope Sixtus IV to agree to an Inquisition controlled by the monarchy. Ferdinand threatened to withdraw military support at a time when the Turks were a threat to Rome. Sixtus IV later accused the Spanish inquisition of being overzealous and accused the monarchs of being greedy. The Pope issued a bull to stop the Inquisition but was pressured into withdrawing it.
xD I think wikipedia just said that the Pope wanted them to stop, and they ignored him for 400 years. So you were saying?[quote=Wikipedia] Motives for instituting the Spanish Inquisition Historians differ about Ferdinand and Isabella's motives for introducing the Inquisition into Spain. A number of possible reasons have been suggested:
  1. To establish political and religious homogeneity. The Inquisition allowed the monarchy to intervene actively in religious affairs, without the interference of the Pope. At the same time, Ferdinand and Isabella's objective was the creation of state machinery that allowed them to maximize their control, thus one priority was to achieve religious unity to promote more centralized political authority. Religious unity was not only an issue of having different religions (Christians, Jews, Muslims) in the country. It was also an issue within Christianity, where a number of communities, exposed to Judaism, became more conscious of the Jewish roots of their Christian faith, and some even adopting Jewish rituals and customs. A long series of public debates regarding the validity of the Torah Laws only contributed to highlight awareness of the issue. Finally exasperated with the lack of acquiesence from the Jewish rabbis called into such debates, the Catholic monarchs chose to accuse the Jews of "corrupting the Catholic faith with the dead Law of Moses", using this as the main excuse in the Expulsion decree of 1492.
  2. Profit to fund the Reconquista. The property of people found guilty by the Inquisition was confiscated. Pope Sixtus IV openly accused the monarchs of this.
  3. To weaken local political opposition to the Catholic monarchs. Strengthening centralized political authority also entailed weakening local political opposition. Resistance to the installation of the Inquisition in the Kingdom of Aragon, for example, was often couched in terms of local legal privileges (fueros).
  4. Out of fear. The Encyclopaedia Judaica of 1991 (Vol XI, p.485) states that, "It remains a fact that the Jews, either directly or through their correligionists in Africa, encouraged the Mohammedans to conquer Spain." Whether real or imagined there was a great fear among 15th century Spaniards that they had a Fifth column (i.e. crypto-Jews, since the Inquisition only had authority over Christians) living among them.[8]
  5. To do away with the powerful converso minority. Many members of influential families such as the Santa FĂ©s, the Santangels, the Caballerias and the Sanchezes, were prosecuted in the Kingdom of Aragon. However the King of Aragon, Ferdinand, continued to employ many conversos in his administration

I don't see where it suggests one of their motives was fear of papal intervention to their crown. Can you point out which parts of the article you felt upheld your point?

Being as they didn't seem to care that the pope directly disagreed with them, I think it's safe to say that your assumption that Ferdinand and Isabella were afraid of him is inaccurate.




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#182 11 years ago

Lampshade111;4773245 The data? [/quote] Yes the data that was cited and readily available in the video.

Sources: Statistics in regards to Europe came from religious organization called Tearfund. http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/ar...

Statistics in regards to America came from the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. http://pewresearch.org/pubs/743/unite...

Atheism growing came from.. World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics

Societal Health statistics come from numerous sources, such as The journal of Religion and Society http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2... but the specific quotation comes from "The Cambridge Companion to Atheism" by Zuckerman. More information can be found in this video YouTube - The Beautiful Atheist World

National Academy of Sciences statistics come from a study in the Journal Nature, by Larson & Whitham in 1998. http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/at...

Intelligence and Education statistics come from the Tearfund organization as linked previously as well as DOZENS of studies that can be summed up by Paul Bell in an article in Mensa magazine. Bell, Paul. "Would you believe it?" Mensa Magazine, Feb. 2002, pp. 12--13

Prison Statistics can be found here.. The results of the Christians vs atheists in prison investigation.

Divorce Statistics can be found here.. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr...

[quote=Lampshade111;4773245] There are examples of countless great Christian men which disprove your claim.

And yet you can offer none, or even hint to any.

"Geology shows that fossils are of different ages. Paleontology shows a fossil sequence, the list of species represented changes through time. Taxonomy shows biological relationships among species. Evolution is the explanation that threads it all together. Creationism is the practice of squeezing one's eyes shut and wailing 'does not!'" You've aptly demonstrated the bold above. When argumentation fails, resort to the elementary level of slander.




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#183 11 years ago

You accuse me of slander? Just look at the pathetic claims of atheist superiority you are producing over there. If you are going to post bullshit videos by fanatical atheists who pick through selected studies as support for your argument, I'll return the favor to you.

Atheism - Conservapedia

"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the Earth at the right distance from the Sun to receive proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." Isaac Newton

Also I have never claimed to adhere to the theory of intelligent design.




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#184 11 years ago

Lampshade111;4773265 Atheism - Conservapedia

"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the Earth at the right distance from the Sun to receive proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." Isaac Newton

Also I have never claimed to adhere to the theory of intelligent design.

Conservapedia! lmao please... No one here is posting links from Main Page - FreeThoughtPedia are they? I should think not, it would stink of desperation...

In reality, the video called upon some legitamte sites with well respected studies. Pew for example, along with adherents.

ReligiousTolerance.org by the Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance

Virtual Tours of Archaeological Sites

World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics

Pew Research Center

EUROPA - European Commission - Homepage

These can't be compared to the bias of Conservapedia. For you to try, well it stinks of something worse then desperation.




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#185 11 years ago

As usual you completely ignored the point. That just as some atheist assholes on Youtube pick and choose their studies and queries to show, so does Conservapedia.

Freethoughtpedia? LOL. Its amazing after being sucked into the world of atheist nonsense you guys maintain the illusion that you are "free thinkers" or whatever name you want to grant yourselves.




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#186 11 years ago

Lampshade111;4773269As usual you completely ignored the point. That just as some atheist assholes on Youtube pick and choose their studies and queries to show, so does Conservapedia.

Freethoughtpedia? LOL. Its amazing after being sucked into the world of atheist nonsense you guys maintain the illusion that you are "free thinkers" or whatever name you want to grant yourselves.

I actually don't use the site, but have seen others try. For you to associate me or anyone else with it unfounded, would be like me associating you with the West Baptist Boro church, or Islamic jihad terrorists. It wouldn't be valid, and in the end it would be seen as the pathetic attempt at belittlement it is.




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#187 11 years ago

From your avatar and insistence that atheists are better than the other 90+% of the world, you would blend in perfectly with such fanatical atheists.