Australia agrees to US marine deployment plan 8 replies

Please wait...

Commissar MercZ

Notable Loser

300,005 XP

29th January 2005

0 Uploads

27,113 Posts

0 Threads

#1 7 years ago

BBC News - Obama visit: Australia agrees US Marine deployment plan

Obama visit: Australia agrees US Marine deployment plan

Australia has agreed to host a full US Marine task force in the coming years, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced at a news conference with US President Barack Obama in Canberra.

She said about 250 US Marines would arrive next year, eventually being built up to 2,500 personnel.

The deployment is being seen as a move to counter China's growing influence.

But Mr Obama said the US was "stepping up its commitment to the entire Asia-Pacific", not excluding China.

"The main message that I've said, not only publicly but also privately to China, is that with their rise comes increased responsibility," he said.

"It is important for them to play by the rules of the road."

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin questioned whether the move was in keeping with the region's peaceful development.

"It may not be quite appropriate to intensify and expand military alliances and may not be in the interest of countries within this region," he was quoted as saying by AFP news agency.

The Global Times, a newspaper produced by the Communist Party-controlled People's Daily group, has been much more bellicose, says the BBC's Damian Grammaticas in Beijing.

An editorial warned it was "certain" that if "Australia uses its military bases to help the US harm Chinese interests, then Australia itself will be caught in the crossfire".

Luo Yuan, a senior officer at the People's Liberation Army's Academy of Military Sciences, told the paper that while neither the US nor China wanted to start a war, "if China's core interests such as its sovereignty, national security and unity are intruded on, a military conflict will be unavoidable".

Alliance honored

The US president flew into Canberra from this weekend's Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation (Apec) forum in Honolulu.

The visit comes as the two countries mark a 60-year security alliance. Ms Gillard said about 250 Marines would be deployed on a rotational basis in northern Australia from next year.

"Australia will welcome deployments of a company-size rotation of 200 to 250 Marines in the Northern Territory for around six months at a time," she said.

"Over a number of years we intend to build on this relationship in a staged way to a full force of around 2,500 personnel, that is a full Marine air-ground task force."

Analysts said the deployment was the biggest in Australia since World War II.

Mr Obama said the deployment would allow the US to "meet the demands of a lot of partners in the region" in terms of training, exercises and "security architecture".

Later in his visit the US leader is due to visit a memorial in Darwin to honor US and Australian soldiers killed during World War II.

Mr Obama has twice cancelled visits to Australia in the past - in March 2010 as he worked to pass healthcare reform legislation and then in June the same year amid the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

After his stop in Darwin, Mr Obama flies to Indonesia for a summit of Asian leaders.

Naturally the move has prompted people to analyze what this means in the context of the US's interest in the Pacific and Southeast Asia, especially in light of China's increasing strength in the region. President Obama is going to the ASEAN meeting following this, whose member nations the US has been building ties with. Many of those nations, besides the economic competition, are also undergoing tensions (in particular Vietnam) over territorial disputes in the South China Sea.




CKY2K

Mark it Zero, Dude...

50 XP

31st October 2005

0 Uploads

2,237 Posts

0 Threads

#2 7 years ago

Yea, I watched this. He seems to have lost abit of his charisma doesn't he? Or maybe he was just tired... As time progresses I find myself becoming increasingly paranoid and dare I say frightened to be an American. Of course I should also say I fear for all of our fellow hard working man on this planet... We shall see how this plays out in the following months... Hopefully this approaching storm, I think many of us feel is coming, will die down before it hits any of our worlds shores. Hopefully good men on this planet will not once again be forced to suffer because of their leaders arrogant, foolish, and selfish decisions. Best wishes to us all, as always.




MrFancypants Forum Admin

The Bad

217,012 XP

7th December 2003

0 Uploads

20,003 Posts

6 Threads

#3 7 years ago

Some troops in Australia probably don't bother China that much. I guess the significant aspect is having a supply line to the Pacific.




Destroyer25

Overuses :cort:

50,545 XP

23rd March 2008

0 Uploads

4,732 Posts

0 Threads

#4 7 years ago
MrFancypants;5586548Some troops in Australia probably don't bother China that much. I guess the significant aspect is having a supply line to the Pacific.

2500 marines is nothing, in fact this is the exact opposite of what you would expect. USA is relocating troops on Okinawa to elsewhere in the Pacific. So US forces are actually going to be moving away from China. So this is really just a shuffle rather than an actual increase in troop strengths in the far east. Darwin might be the new home of the 31st MEU if Guam can't accommodate them.

The purpose is training anyways. With the Australian Navy acquiring it's new Canberra LHDs soon they will need to be taught by some experts on how to use them. I'm speculating that they might send the [COLOR=White]their last remaining LHA, the USS Peleliu over there with some Marines to show the Aussies how things are done.

There's been much discussion about this on another forum I'm on.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116452 [/COLOR]




Commissar MercZ

Notable Loser

300,005 XP

29th January 2005

0 Uploads

27,113 Posts

0 Threads

#5 7 years ago

Destroyer25;55865612500 marines is nothing, in fact this is the exact opposite of what you would expect. USA is relocating troops on Okinawa to elsewhere in the Pacific. So US forces are actually going to be moving away from China. So this is really just a shuffle rather than an actual increase in troop strengths in the far east. Darwin might be the new home of the 31st MEU if Guam can't accommodate them.

The purpose is training anyways. With the Australian Navy acquiring it's new Canberra LHDs soon they will need to be taught by some experts on how to use them. I'm speculating that they might send the [COLOR=White]their last remaining LHA, the USS Peleliu over there with some Marines to show the Aussies how things are done.

There's been much discussion about this on another forum I'm on.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116452 [/COLOR]

I don't think this can be seen solely by this one act, but as a part of recent political moves in the region.

Yes it doesn't really 'matter' from the marines themselves. But it's part of a larger chain of events with the US showing more interest in the region as China gets larger and more influential. This doesn't have to be solely militarily, though the US has shown some of this from time to time with its rather behemoth overseas deployments and bases.

I mean more recently we've seen the approval of a fresh batch of free trade agreements with Japan and Korea, as well as other agreements with nations like Indonesia to solidify its position there. United States and Vietnam have entered into some exercises over its (historical) tensions with PRC.

To think that these things are inconsequential and merely the US wanting to make Australia 'better' is simplistic.




Destroyer25

Overuses :cort:

50,545 XP

23rd March 2008

0 Uploads

4,732 Posts

0 Threads

#6 7 years ago

Commissar MercZ;5586596I don't think this can be seen solely by this one act, but as a part of recent political moves in the region.

Yes it doesn't really 'matter' from the marines themselves. But it's part of a larger chain of events with the US showing more interest in the region as China gets larger and more influential. This doesn't have to be solely militarily, though the US has shown some of this from time to time with its rather behemoth overseas deployments and bases.

I mean more recently we've seen the approval of a fresh batch of free trade agreements with Japan and Korea, as well as other agreements with nations like Indonesia to solidify its position there. United States and Vietnam have entered into some exercises over its (historical) tensions with PRC.

To think that these things are inconsequential and merely the US wanting to make Australia 'better' is simplistic.

Obviously this is all part of a bigger plan regarding US interests in the Far East. I was just pointing out that USA isn't sending more men to the far east, they are just repositioning them.

I don't think USA is trying to directly counter China though. USA has recently been very careful about what they do in order to not upset China. The matter of selling arms to the RoC has been significantly controversial.

This has more to do with strengthening US-Australian relations, improving the capabilities of the RAN and improving US-Australian coalition warfare capabilities.




Commissar MercZ

Notable Loser

300,005 XP

29th January 2005

0 Uploads

27,113 Posts

0 Threads

#7 7 years ago
Destroyer25;5586638 This has more to do with strengthening US-Australian relations, improving the capabilities of the RAN and improving US-Australian coalition warfare capabilities.

Which itself fits into their interests in the pacific and far east. You can't isolate the two from one another.

The US is 'careful' with China in some ways, but in other ways it's rather pointed in its emphasis of where their spheres of influence and economic pull is. Just a few weeks ago the US fingered out China for being behind or at least the source of various cyber-thefts, it isn't as if the US is intentionally ignoring the Chinese, anymore than the Chinese do in Asia themselves where they conflict with the Americans.




emonkies

I'm too cool to Post

50 XP

17th July 2003

0 Uploads

15,096 Posts

0 Threads

#8 7 years ago

IMHO it should be noted that Vietnam, Indonesia, Phillipines, India, South Korea, and Japan are all upgrading their military's in response to what is seen as a increasingly assertive China.

Its just my opinion but dont be too surprised to see China involved in a few regional skirmishes to give their troops some combat experience and to test out their capabilities. A "stretching their muscles" so to speak.




Commissar MercZ

Notable Loser

300,005 XP

29th January 2005

0 Uploads

27,113 Posts

0 Threads

#9 7 years ago

Anlushac11;5588151IMHO it should be noted that Vietnam, Indonesia, Phillipines, India, South Korea, and Japan are all upgrading their military's in response to what is seen as a increasingly assertive China.

Its just my opinion but dont be too surprised to see China involved in a few regional skirmishes to give their troops some combat experience and to test out their capabilities. A "stretching their muscles" so to speak.

Yeah. I can see some issues arising over the maritime boundaries and assorted islands, as it has had with Vietnam (and others) in the past. China was also present in the ASEAN summit that Obama went too, it would be interesting to see what happened away from the eyes of the cameras. Undoubtedly China is trying to assert its influence there in a body which by and large has close relations with the US.

Even with Myanmar's/Burma's recent openings, which has traditionally been in the Chinese camp, the US has been keen on checking its possibilities. Hillary Clinton will make the first visit by a US secretary of state to visit that country in over 50 years next week I believe.