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#1 11 years ago

One of the goals Speaker-to-be Mrs. Pelosi has stated for her new Democratic held House is to work towards bringing back the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, in the long run probably banning firearms altogether (my speculation). The old ban made illegal several different things, which I'll just outline here. Flash hiders - Many look at these as something used to make it harder for a target to see what is shooting at you, and where it's coming from. These are actually standard on Police and Military ARs and SMGs because it dissapates the bright flash that can seriously effect the shooter's vision. These were made illegal in 1994, and are now legal again. ar02.jpgBirdcage flash hider standard on M-16 series rifles High capacity magazines - Qualified as anything over 10 rounds. I definatly see why they would want these banned, but still disagree strongly with that idea. Post-ban weapons (anything made between 1994 and 2004) came with a 10 rounds civilian magazine. While it does make the guy have to reload more often, legal ARs are hardly ever used in shooting so it doesn't really help anyone.

8448670-10.jpgBushmaster single-stack 10 round magazine. Bayonet lugs - This really puzzles me. I've never heard of a drive by bayoneting. The bayonet lug is a small piece of metal that lets a bayonet be attached under the barrel of a rifle. While it is true that M203 (M-16) and GP-30 (AK) grenade launchers attach to these lugs, you simply can't buy grenade launchers! mossberg_bayonet_lug_d.jpgThe bayonet lug is that little thing underneath the magazine cylinder. Grenade Launchers - Don't know why this was included. They were already banned by the BATF(E) as an explosive/destructive device. There is the civilian CM203 37mm flare launcher. It literally is a flare launcher only. 40mm grenades won't fire through the thicker barrel. M203-1.jpgThe military M203. Pistol grip - The nifty little grip behind the trigger. I really don't know why this was banned. It makes the rifle look mean? Anyways, they were banned. 800px-Caroline-pontet-p1000527.jpg Pistol grip on the Swiss-made SIG 500 military rifle. Folding or telescoping stock - Pretty self explanatory. The buttstock has to be fixed in place, it can't collapse down to a smaller size, or fold under the rifle. The thinking on Capitol Hill was that these are used to make the rifle easy to hide. In truth, nobody is able to hide a rifle simply because of a stock. They are used to adjust the pull of the rifle, making them easier to handle while clearing a room. 72l_ST1009_p.jpgThe CAR-15/M4 6-position telescoping stock. According the the 1994 ban, no rifle can have any two of the above. The only thing listed above that is still illegal is the grenade launcher, which I don't mind. Democrats are threatening to make these rifles illegal again, which personally I dispise. It's a simple fact that countries with stricter gun laws have more crime. Violent crime in the UK is very high, as it is in Australia. Any thoughts welcome, just please keep it civil.



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#2 11 years ago

Pretty sad, isn't it? Cops can barely even enforce the current laws, and now they want to add even more.

No wonder crime is going up in many places in the USA and Europe. The police are so busy arresting people who are smoking weed or have guns, REAL crimes go ignored.




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#3 11 years ago
RLt.W1982;3366404One of the goals Speaker-to-be Mrs. Pelosi has stated for her new Democratic held House is to work towards bringing back the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, in the long run probably banning firearms altogether (my speculation). The old ban made illegal several different things, which I'll just outline here. Flash hiders - Many look at these as something used to make it harder for a target to see what is shooting at you, and where it's coming from. These are actually standard on Police and Military ARs and SMGs because it dissapates the bright flash that can seriously effect the shooter's vision. These were made illegal in 1994, and are now legal again. ar02.jpgBirdcage flash hider standard on M-16 series rifles High capacity magazines - Qualified as anything over 10 rounds. I definatly see why they would want these banned, but still disagree strongly with that idea. Post-ban weapons (anything made between 1994 and 2004) came with a 10 rounds civilian magazine. While it does make the guy have to reload more often, legal ARs are hardly ever used in shooting so it doesn't really help anyone. [LEFT]8448670-10.jpgBushmaster single-stack 10 round magazine. Bayonet lugs - This really puzzles me. I've never heard of a drive by bayoneting. The bayonet lug is a small piece of metal that lets a bayonet be attached under the barrel of a rifle. While it is true that M203 (M-16) and GP-30 (AK) grenade launchers attach to these lugs, you simply can't buy grenade launchers! mossberg_bayonet_lug_d.jpgThe bayonet lug is that little thing underneath the magazine cylinder. Grenade Launchers - Don't know why this was included. They were already banned by the BATF(E) as an explosive/destructive device. There is the civilian CM203 37mm flare launcher. It literally is a flare launcher only. 40mm grenades won't fire through the thicker barrel. M203-1.jpgThe military M203. Pistol grip - The nifty little grip behind the trigger. I really don't know why this was banned. It makes the rifle look mean? Anyways, they were banned. 800px-Caroline-pontet-p1000527.jpg Pistol grip on the Swiss-made SIG 500 military rifle. Folding or telescoping stock - Pretty self explanatory. The buttstock has to be fixed in place, it can't collapse down to a smaller size, or fold under the rifle. The thinking on Capitol Hill was that these are used to make the rifle easy to hide. In truth, nobody is able to hide a rifle simply because of a stock. They are used to adjust the pull of the rifle, making them easier to handle while clearing a room. 72l_ST1009_p.jpgThe CAR-15/M4 6-position telescoping stock. According the the 1994 ban, no rifle can have any two of the above. The only thing listed above that is still illegal is the grenade launcher, which I don't mind.

Most of those restrictions make sense as they are aimed to keep military-grade weapons out of the hands of people who are not qualified to use them.

It's a simple fact that countries with stricter gun laws have more crime.

The opposite is the case. Nations which have restrictions in place over a longer time have less gun-related crimes.




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#4 11 years ago

Fancypants, they function exactly like "normal" looking rifles like the Mini-14. RugerMini14.jpgar15%20rifle%20on%20stool.gif The only difference between the rifle on the top and the one on the bottom is looks. Both are semi-automatic, both can use high capacity magazines, they have the same style of sights. Hell, the above Ruger Mini-14 is actually smaller, by pro-ban thinking therefore more deadly. Now, personally, I'd like to know why you think you can say certain people aren't qualified to use ARs. They're low recoil, easy (and fun) to shoot, and the ammo isn't all that expensive.




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#5 11 years ago

Why does the average citizen need an assault rifle?




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#6 11 years ago
Why does the average citizen need an assault rifle?

"Assault rifle" is just a label. Just like the million mom march calls hunting rifles "sniper rifles".

Its amusing how there's actually very little difference between weapons used for sport and... *gasp*... assault weapons. But of course the people passing these laws know nothing about the subject, so facts really don't matter.




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#7 11 years ago

Need? We don't need them. We have them for fun. Do you need your computer games? Or, say, paintball guns (if you paintball, IDK). Does anyone need a nice car? Or a good pair of shoes?

It doesn't matter if we need them or not. The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States declares that I can own a gun. Doesn't matter what it looks like. Now personally I use mine to keep my shooting skills up, but I guess that's a seperate situation.




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RLt.W1982;3366531Fancypants, they function exactly like "normal" looking rifles like the Mini-14. RugerMini14.jpgar15%20rifle%20on%20stool.gif The only difference between the rifle on the top and the one on the bottom is looks. Both are semi-automatic, both can use high capacity magazines, they have the same style of sights. Hell, the above Ruger Mini-14 is actually smaller, by pro-ban thinking therefore more deadly. [/quote] I don't mind the looks of a weapon, but a high-capacity magazine is not necessary for shooting at targets or animals.

Now, personally, I'd like to know why you think you can say certain people aren't qualified to use ARs. They're low recoil, easy (and fun) to shoot, and the ammo isn't all that expensive.

Every person that kills another with a firearm is obviously not qualified to own one.

[QUOTE=RLt.W1982;3366548]Need? We don't need them. We have them for fun. Do you need your computer games? Or, say, paintball guns (if you paintball, IDK). Does anyone need a nice car? Or a good pair of shoes?

But computer games or paintball guns aren't used for killing people as often, which rasises the question if it's really a good idea to let people own weapons just for fun.




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#9 11 years ago
Every person that kills another with a firearm is obviously not qualified to own one.

Well then, why are you supporting the ban? The number of guns manufactured that are actually used to kill someone is microscopic, virtually none of the people who will buy one legally aren't going to use it in a crime.

I don't mind the looks of a weapon, but a high-capacity magazine is not necessary for shooting at targets or animals.

As he already pointed out, the magazine is only slightly different from a normal one.




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MrFancypants;3366583I don't mind the looks of a weapon, but a high-capacity magazine is not necessary for shooting at targets or animals.

You can always jus buy a bunch of small capacity magazines to go on a rampage. It doesn't take that long to swap out magazines.

Every person that kills another with a firearm is obviously not qualified to own one.

Some people are reckless drivers. They kill people while driving and are obviously not qualified to own or drive a car. Therefore cars should be illegal.