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dinosaurJR

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#41 10 years ago

jackripped;5262242ok so how oftern to you hear about crimes where evolutionists yell, ''darwin made me do it'' or science made me do it '' Nemmerle ?

Insufficient faith, omg, say that to an Arab and he will stab you where you stand in alot of cases.lve met a few and l wouldnt dare insult there religion in that detail, only to say l believe in evolution. See l see ALL godly religions as corrupt, and twisted systems of control. What makes your interpretation any better than his, god tell you the christian way is the right one and did he tell you how its supposed to be interpreted ? You cannot debate ''people dont follow religion correctly according to your or western understandings of it'' thats redonkulas. What if, for all you believers of god, the Islamic way is the correct one, and what if, the brutal interpretation is the one god wants ? How f**ked are you guys ! LOL !

How many times has a scientist, in a high position been accused of child sexual act ? How many times have Priests and other church members been accused ?

Its all a matter of perception did you say, ''Anyone can be accused of anything, that's just the way language works, it doesn't make it true.''

Well the perception is alot of evil resides with religions and church groups, but l dont see the world looking at our top scientists like that. ''

Firstly - can I recommend you use Firefox? It has a handy spell checker that underlines all of your spelling errors, clear, correct spelling is then only a right click away! Seriously, its giving me a headache trying to correct your post in my head... redonkulas... I think you just invented a new word...

Secondly - The part about Christians being judged by Allah... you do realise that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same god, yeah? They just give them different names... So how can god then say that "yep, you jews are spot on, Muslims,...OK, a bit shaky on the whole honor killing thing, but three + prayers a day... it'll do... Christians... oh dear me... not good enough...) Seems like a scene from Father Ted...

Next - I can see how these pedophile priests have reflected badly on the Profession as a whole, but come on! What? New priests go through "child touching" training? Are you saying that these criminals carry out their crimes BECAUSE they are priests? Scientists can be assholes too... Dr. Sigmund Rascher, Dr. Joseph Mengele, Dr.Shir┼Ź Ishii, Google these names - these guys did what they did in the name of Science...

Religion or Science - neither is intrinsically good or evil - however unscrupulous people have been known to use the system of religious belief for highly questionable ends.

Although you could say the same for Science... Anthropological criminology led to the deaths of thousands innocent Germans during the Third Reich, for example.

Sadly, this seems to be one of these cases. This "Queen Antoinette" used the religious beliefs of others to hold influence over them. Power. the sad result is that the poor kid died... You cant blame religion for that. Blame the weak will and misguided beliefs of his mother.




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#42 10 years ago

jackripped;5262242ok so how oftern to you hear about crimes where evolutionists yell, ''darwin made me do it'' or science made me do it '' Nemmerle ?[/QUOTE]

I can't think of one. Your point being what? That I should take the word of a criminal, or the absence of that word, as evidence for their motivations? Don't be ridiculous. The least honest witness against any person is that person themself, especially when they have a vested interest in the outcome of the trial. Criminals are hardly known for excessive self-knowledge and honesty.

jackripped;5262242Insufficient faith, omg, say that to an Arab and he will stab you where you stand in alot of cases. lve met a few and l wouldnt dare insult there religion in that detail, only to say l believe in evolution. See l see ALL godly religions as corrupt, and twisted systems of control. What makes your interpretation any better than his, god tell you the christian way is the right one and did he tell you how its supposed to be interpreted ?[/QUOTE]

My interpretation doesn't get people killed. Whether it's true or not is irrelevant in determining its moral worth.

jackripped;5262242You cannot debate ''people dont follow religion correctly according to your or western understandings of it'' thats redonkulas. What if, for all you believers of god, the Islamic way is the correct one, and what if, the brutal interpretation is the one god wants ? How f**ked are you guys ! LOL !

What if? What if the only unforgivable sin is not believing in god, how fucked are you? Given that for any possible property of god it is possible to imagine a contradictory property, and since we have no evidence either way, the only logical recourse if you want to decide among deities is to examine them in terms of their social influence.

[QUOTE=jackripped;5262242]How many times has a scientist, in a high position been accused of child sexual act ? How many times have Priests and other church members been accused ?

You're just equating one thing with another without actually using any logic. Yes a few church members - far less than one percent of the population of that religion - have been accused of sexual acts with children. And now you want to indite every religion with that but you've given no reasoning to support being allowed to do so.

How many Buddhists do you hear of having sex with children? How many Wiccans? Even within Christianity how many Quakers do you hear of having sex with children?

What you have here is a case against clerical celibacy in specific and not religion in general.

[QUOTE=jackripped;5262242]Well the perception is alot of evil resides with religions and church groups, but l dont see the world looking at our top scientists like that.

Since I didn't say it was all a matter of perception this is hardly relevant.




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#43 10 years ago

F'tard parents!! Swallowed by their beliefs!!




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#44 10 years ago

Jack, you keep sterotyping every single religon as one great big evil thing. not only that, you only focus on negative aspects of religon.

You don't see me saying "all atheists are incredibly stupid" this is obviously not true since we have plenty of intelligent atheists here in this forum and one incredibly... better yet I won't finish that sentence.

Same thing with religon, we have the intelligent people and we have people who murder their kids because of the lack of a "amen"

also I don't say amen, I don't even pray when I eat.




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#45 10 years ago

crisissuit3;5262944Jack, you keep sterotyping every single religon as one great big evil thing. not only that, you only focus on negative aspects of religon. [/QUOTE] Maybe because the positive aspects dont involve suicide bombings?

crisissuit3;5262944 You don't see me saying "all atheists are incredibly stupid" this is obviously not true since we have plenty of intelligent atheists here in this forum

But if you notice, any and all horrible events in human history have had religious motivation. You dont see many athiests going out there and killing for whatever, but you see plenty of muslims blowing themselves up daily in the name of Allah. And I damn sure dont hear any sheiks saying "thats wrong, thats bad, dont do that". Silence is akin to acceptance.

[QUOTE=crisissuit3;5262944] Same thing with religon, we have the intelligent people and we have people who murder their kids because of the lack of a "amen"

Agreed.




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#46 10 years ago
NiteStryker;5263115But if you notice, any and all horrible events in human history have had religious motivation. You dont see many athiests going out there and killing for whatever, but you see plenty of muslims blowing themselves up daily in the name of Allah. And I damn sure dont hear any sheiks saying "thats wrong, thats bad, dont do that". Silence is akin to acceptance.

The Commisar already mentioned that several prominent Muslims and Muslim countries have decried extremist Muslims. Hell, in the last Israeli-Hezbollah war back a couple of years most of the Middle-East condemned Hezbollah for their actions, including Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, and Egypt. They didn't support Israel either, of course, but they did condemn Hezbollah as well.

As for atheists doing killing, anyone who has ever fought or killed for any of the following has done it for secular reasons.

Money Power Freedom Equality Land Resources (the division of land and resources are the cause of every war in history) Anger or Indignity

Even the much condemned crusades were largely a matter of politics. Internal strife in Europe led the Pope to call for a crusade for the sake of stopping warfare in Europe, and to gain land and resources in eastern Mediterranean.

In fact very little evil has been done because of religion. What has occurred, however, is using religion to disguise ulterior motives much as the U.S. uses terrorism and freedom as codewords to get people on their side.




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#47 10 years ago
Tanith;5262026Where we would we be today if we didn't have the dark ages?

The Dark Ages weren't brought about by Christianity or any religion, for that matter. The fall of the Roman Empire left a large portion of Europe shattered and broken. With no central power, what was left of the empire quickly descended into chaos and near anarchy with villages becoming isolated. The Black Death didn't help the situation either. The reason there was such a huge focus on Christianity was simply because people needed something to turn to in order to give them hope and a reason to work through their incredibly difficult lives.




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#48 10 years ago
The Body Popper;5268088The Black Death didn't help the situation either.

The Black Death was only a year, it wasn't all over the period, and the Black Death led to a lack of a work force, leading to more efficient inventions like the printing press.




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#49 10 years ago

Do you guys go out and specificaly go find things against religion, guns, or whatever, you ought to read the stuff that happened in Iraq, those AQ guys where and are friggen 1000 times more sick than these other domestic sickos.




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#50 10 years ago
Warforger;5268309The Black Death was only a year, it wasn't all over the period, and the Black Death led to a lack of a work force, leading to more efficient inventions like the printing press.

I hadn't thought about it that way, and it certainly seems true. You get one free internets. But the church was able to use the plague as a way to rope people back into Christianity.

However, while the main Black Death event may have only been one year, it did resurface in less severe instances for many years after.