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Greenvalv

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#1 14 years ago

Now we have been taught that the bacteria was the first form of life on this planet. That cannot be true because the bacterial flagellum (its propeller) is as complex as a man-made turbine motor. It has the camshaft, bearings, and a whole lot of other things too numerous to mention. Not only that, but 8,000,000 of these tiny motors can fiton the diameter of a human hair. That is way too small and complex to be the first forms of life. Read this for more on the bacterial flagella. Anyone want to try to make this proof for evolution?




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#2 14 years ago

You are talking about an aminal based bacteria not a plant based one. Plant based bacteria only have cilia to move a little or nothing at all and just float around. Viruses and Prions were the first forms of life.:deal:




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#3 14 years ago
GreenvalvNow we have been taught that the bacteria was the first form of life on this planet. That cannot be true because the bacterial flagellum (its propeller) is as complex as a man-made turbine motor. It has the camshaft, bearings, and a whole lot of other things too numerous to mention. Not only that, but 8,000,000 of these tiny motors can fiton the diameter of a human hair. That is way too small and complex to be the first forms of life.

Those type of bacterika are in no way the first forms of life, as you have said, the have evolved past the simple cell stage.




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#4 14 years ago

They are supposed to be one of the first forms of life. They are stiil way too complex for the time they were supposed to be around.




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#5 14 years ago
GreenvalvThey are supposed to be one of the first forms of life. They are stiil way too complex for the time they were supposed to be around.

Not necessarily. Like all living things, bacteria can evolve, too.




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#6 14 years ago

Do you know how complex the cell is? Back when evolution was first introduced the cell was thought to be a small packet of amino acids and proteins, with newer and better technology we have found that they are far from being simple. With DNA, mitochondria, and other stuff, the cell could not have just come about by the ways you evolutionists say they did. They are just too complex. And evolution cannot apply anymore. Read this for more on the complexity of the cell. [QUOTE2=Wikipedia]The algae (singular is alga) comprise several different groups of living things that are simple plants, producing energy through photosynthesis.[/QUOTE2]




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#7 14 years ago
GreenvalvWith DNA, mitochondria, and other stuff, the cell could not have just come about by the ways you evolutionists say they did. They are just too complex. And evolution cannot apply anymore.[/QUOTE] Bacteria don't have mitochondria, and most only have a single loop of DNA. And the first were undoubtedly much simpler. [QUOTE=Wikipedia]The algae (singular is alga) comprise several different groups of living things that are simple plants, producing energy through photosynthesis.

Thats is like mitochondria, which are pretty much seperate cells within our own which produce energy for us. In fact, mitochondria have their own DNA. It is believed that, over the eons, both the chloroblasts (I think thats what the green things are called, but I'm probably wrong) and the mitochondria developed symbiotic relationships with early cells, and were later incorperated into them.




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#8 14 years ago
GreenvalvWith DNA, mitochondria, and other stuff, the cell could not have just come about by the ways you evolutionists say they did. They are just too complex.

No... Animal and plants cells are very complex, but I thought you said BACTERIA were the first living things? Their form is quite simple, and - again - they too evolved.




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#9 14 years ago

[QUOTE2=colonel bob]Thats is like mitochondria, which are pretty much seperate cells within our own which produce energy for us. In fact, mitochondria have their own DNA. It is believed that, over the eons, both the chloroblasts (I think thats what the green things are called, but I'm probably wrong) and the mitochondria developed symbiotic relationships with early cells, and were later incorperated into them.[/QUOTE2] Bologna, the mitochondria couldn't have evolved because they too are extremely complex. [QUOTE2=colonel bob]Bacteria don't have mitochondria, and most only have a single loop of DNA. And the first were undoubtedly much simpler.[/QUOTE2] Changed of topic, I was talking about cells.




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#10 14 years ago
GreenvalvBologna, the mitochondria couldn't have evolved because they too are extremely complex.

No, not really. Whats to keep them from evolving? Please make an actual argument, rather than calling everyone else's posts processed lunch meat simply because you disagree with them. It gets really anoying.