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SteVen

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#1 11 years ago

I really hate it. Everyones got there own side and I'm stuck in the middle. No idea which way to turn. Christians tell me to believe in God and Jesus Christ or they scare me to death saying I'll burn in a fire for the rest of my life, but theres somethings I can't just believe in about God. Such as many hard aches and many events where he was no where to be found. But then again I think, what if they are right, what if there really is some divine God up in heaven? And when I finally do die I end up burning for an eternity because of not believing? I'm pretty sure I don't want that to happen. But it also works vice-versa...what if Christians weren't right after all and say, I dont know, Catholics had the right religion and they end up getting eternal bliss while everyone else rots in a fire. I don't see how if there really was a God out there why would he not leave us a clear sign of his existance...To test us? But its so hard..theres so many religions and none can be 100% correct. Are we all doomed to burn in a firey Hell? Or is Hell a non-existant place as well? There has to be some way to know...or will I stay confused forever? Anybody else feel the same way? (I didn't wish to post this in Religious Discussion because it would most likely be over-looked)




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#2 11 years ago

Not sure about the mod's stance about this thread. The Religious Discussion is indeed very crowded at the moment and I'm still awaiting replies to two posts, that have been apparently overlooked.

What kind of educator would punish one who has not been told any rules? Wouldn't it be in the god's favor to let us know what he wants, so we can act accordingly?

Even if we for debate's sake forget the fact that there is no evidence that directly supports the existence of one or more supernatural beings, there is no way for us to know what those supernatural beings desire.

Catholics are christians on a side note. Considering the many options regarding religion and the many yet undefined possibilities, the chance that you are right when picking one is very, very low.




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#3 11 years ago

It will probably be merged...

WhiteShark;4013439What kind of educator would punish one who has not been told any rules? Wouldn't it be in the god's favor to let us know what he wants, so we can act accordingly?[/quote]

"How shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Romans 10:14) "sin is not taken into account when there is no law" (Romans 5:13)

There is something written in the Bible about not telling a man a Law, lest he should be held accountable to it.

iamnext.comeven people who don't have that law nonetheless have their own "law" -- their own moral standard within their hearts (Romans 2:14-15). For example, if in his heart Nick believes it is wrong for others to talk behind his back, then that is a law within his heart.[/quote] "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." "In the manner you have measured others, so shall be measured unto you." "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you." "Hold yourself accountable to your own moral code. Before you hold others accountable to it."

I really like this article. Will God Condemn People Who Have Never Even Heard About Jesus?

[QUOTE=WhiteShark;4013439]Even if we for debate's sake forget the fact that there is no evidence that directly supports the existence of one or more supernatural beings, there is no way for us to know what those supernatural beings desire.

To the contrary. Those who have "evidence" enough to believe, have evidence of what those supernatural beings desire. Those who have no evidence, well, they have no evidence.

[QUOTE=WhiteShark;4013439]Catholics are christians on a side note. Considering the many options regarding religion and the many yet undefined possibilities, the chance that you are right when picking one is very, very low.

More likely, every religion has something, or many things wrong. It is even debatable whether or not Islam is the same religion as Christianity, and Judaism. If you stop to think that all three of these religions are the same, it makes you think. Then who do you believe?




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#4 11 years ago

I'm gonna leave this separate for the moment, just because the other thread is a bit confusing.


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#5 11 years ago

I've always hated Pascal's Gambit. It is a great example for things that aren't based on morals, but practicing a religion when your heart isn't in it seems so very wrong to me. If you don't believe in a god, then don't worship it. Be honest with yourself, and don't join a religion out of fear or to hedge your bets.




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#6 11 years ago

Listen to crazy wolf, he's offered you the best advice, without trying to convince you if you should find religion or not. Don't assume that if you are agnostic that you need to choose a path quick smart. It's all up to you really, do the research yourself I guess is the safest thing to do.




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#7 11 years ago

SteVen;4013323 I really hate it. [/quote] Don’t hate it, value it. It’s a sure sign that you and you alone are in complete control of your thought processes. You’re looking for the answer to your question, and have yet to find it. No big deal, just keep searching and researching.

SteVen;4013323 Everyones got there own side and I'm stuck in the middle. No idea which way to turn. Christians tell me to believe in God and Jesus Christ or they scare me to death saying I'll burn in a fire for the rest of my life, but theres somethings I can't just believe in about God. Such as many hard aches and many events where he was no where to be found. [/quote] I hear ya on that one. As a staunch atheist vehemently opposed to all religions, I can more then relate to that last sentiment.

SteVen;4013323 But then again I think, what if they are right, what if there really is some divine God up in heaven? And when I finally do die I end up burning for an eternity because of not believing? I'm pretty sure I don't want that to happen.

Let’s say they were right and you were an atheist. Since when is following your heart wrong? Do you think if there was a god that he, she or it would judge you in a bad way for not choosing the easy path full of benefits? Here are some good quotes for you.

“A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.” ~ [Albert Einstein]

"Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts." ~ [Albert Einstein]

[quote=SteVen;4013323] “But it also works vice-versa...what if Christians weren't right after all and say, I dont know, Catholics had the right religion and they end up getting eternal bliss while everyone else rots in a fire.”

If you’re a bit curious about the bible and its implications watch a movie called [COLOR=Blue]Zeitgeist[/COLOR], specifically the first chapter which deals with religion and the bible. You can either use the link provided or search it in Youtube and Google.

[quote=SteVen;4013323] I don't see how if there really was a God out there why would he not leave us a clear sign of his existance...To test us? But its so hard..theres so many religions and none can be 100% correct. Are we all doomed to burn in a firey Hell? Or is Hell a non-existant place as well? There has to be some way to know...or will I stay confused forever? Anybody else feel the same way?

No doubt huh? You’d think that if it was so important, it would be quite clear. It’s not for a reason. You can figure why on your own. If you really think about it, religious belief is largely a question of geography, not actual belief in anything. If you are born in the western hemisphere, it is likely that you will be born into a christian or catholic family. If you are born in the eastern hemisphere, it is likely that you will be born into an islamic or buddhist family. Of those and the hundreds of others, none of them have arguments which are unequivocally superior to any other. You don't have to be a genius to understand why.

Best of luck to ya.




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#8 11 years ago
SteVen;4013323I really hate it.

Read Sedistix post.

Everyones got there own side and I'm stuck in the middle. No idea which way to turn. Christians tell me to believe in God and Jesus Christ or they scare me to death saying I'll burn in a fire for the rest of my life, but theres somethings I can't just believe in about God. Such as many hard aches and many events where he was no where to be found.

Don't let a bunch of people try to sway you one way or another. Do some soul searching, look at the arguments supporting religion and then look at the arguments against religion. After that, try to make that hard religious (or anti-religious) decision that will attempt to define you as an individual.

I was raised in a Christian household (United Church of Christ...the same as Obama =p), however after confirmation I decided that was enough church. I was apathetic during high school and then when college came, I became agnostic. Currently, after several conversations and information treks, I am currently an Atheist.

But then again I think, what if they are right, what if there really is some divine God up in heaven? And when I finally do die I end up burning for an eternity because of not believing? I'm pretty sure I don't want that to happen.

Don't let religion guilt you into living a free and personalized life-style. Religion is just another method of mental and physical control over an individual. Just look at the corruption of the catholic church. If you look at Vatican City and how much income they make a year, you'll see my point...

You won't end up dieing in a pit of fire and misery. Nothing will happen, your body will rot and worms will eat your flesh. No spirit, no magically fairy will whisk you away...

Just darkness and unconsciousness. The thing is, that is just my opinion and don't let that sway you. Make your own decision that suits you. If I were to push Atheism on you, that wouldn't make me any better than that annoying a-hole who knocks on your door to tell you about the bible...

But it also works vice-versa...what if Christians weren't right after all and say, I dont know, Catholics had the right religion and they end up getting eternal bliss while everyone else rots in a fire.

That means the majority of earth will rot in hell...you wouldn't be alone in the least. =p

I don't see how if there really was a God out there why would he not leave us a clear sign of his existance...To test us? But its so hard..theres so many religions and none can be 100% correct. Are we all doomed to burn in a firey Hell? Or is Hell a non-existant place as well? There has to be some way to know...or will I stay confused forever? Anybody else feel the same way?

If I'm wrong about atheism, than I'll see you in there buddy. Perhaps we could give Hitler a sponge bath together...




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#9 11 years ago

I guess the common advice here is follow your heart. Don't let any one person, or group of people for that matter, scare you into a set of beliefs. On the other hand, a claim to ignorance is a poor path to take down any road. As Sedistix said, keep searching and researching. Since unbiased advice is going to be non-existent in this subject, I would suggest personally speaking to reserved members of both sides - a member of the clergy and a well educated athiest to get a better understanding of the big question....why? Perhaps talking with a fellow agnostic, someone who shares your feelings and questions on the subject would help put your mind and heart at ease as well.




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#10 11 years ago
Kwould;4013683I guess the common advice here is follow your heart. Don't let any one person, or group of people for that matter, scare you into a set of beliefs

And very good advice at that. It is your life, after all - who are other people to tell you what to think, or what to believe?

Personally, I count myself as an agnostic, simply because I really couldn't care less about organized religion. In my opinion, there are more important things in life to worry about than that.