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#1 8 years ago

Better airport scanners delayed by privacy fears

WASHINGTON – High-tech security scanners that might have prevented the Christmas Day attempt to blow up a jetliner have been installed in only a small number of airports around the world, in large part because of privacy concerns over the way the machines see through clothing.

The body-scanning technology is in at least 19 U.S. airports, while European officials have generally limited it to test runs.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian accused of trying to ignite explosives aboard a Northwest Airlines jet as it was coming in for a landing in Detroit, did not go through such a scan where his flight began, at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport.

The full-body scanner "could have been helpful in this case, absolutely," said Evert van Zwol, head of the Dutch Pilots Association.

But the technology has raised significant concerns among privacy watchdogs because it can show the body's contours with embarrassing clarity. Those fears have slowed the introduction of the machines.

This is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard, and even in this age of political-correctness, I find this moronic as all hell.

People would forsake their own personal safety just so the airport screener doesnt see how fat they are? FUCKING REALLY???

And dont anybody give me that quote "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both". If you dont like it, DONT AIR TRAVEL. Its not a "freedom" to fly in airplanes. Its a service that is paid for.

I wish these machines would be out there everywhere in an airport. I would rather feel very safe knowing that everyone on that plane was virtually strip searched and had nothing, than shoddy security machines that only detect metal, but Mrs. Eats-Mcdonalds-Every-Day's fat folds were not visible to an airport screener.




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#2 8 years ago

Obesity interfering with national security... Only in America...




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#3 8 years ago

It is a service that is paid for, and if you piss enough people off it will be a service not paid for - or paid for in vastly lesser amounts - and then your business is overtaken by others who didn't piss people off.

Whinny little shits moaning about a chance they might get blown out of the sky inconveniencing everyone else. If me getting on that plane is slowed down by a few hundred people going bang ever few years then I say let the fuckers burn. My comfort and convenience is worth more than a few hundred lives; and those who think otherwise should cash in their assets and go play Sheppard to the lost before I'm liable to believe them.




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#4 8 years ago

I bet it isn't just the "MY BELLY BUTTON BULGES OUT MY SKIRT" people, but also the 2 inchers, I mean I'd love to see how many would laugh.




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#5 8 years ago

Nemmerle;5182579It is a service that is paid for, and if you piss enough people off it will be a service not paid for - or paid for in vastly lesser amounts - and then your business is overtaken by others who didn't piss people off.

Whinny little shits moaning about a chance they might get blown out of the sky inconveniencing everyone else. If me getting on that plane is slowed down by a few hundred people going bang ever few years then I say let the fuckers burn. My comfort and convenience is worth more than a few hundred lives; and those who think otherwise should cash in their assets and go play Sheppard to the lost before I'm liable to believe them.

Except this would probably make airport security faster as well as more secure. You just walk through it, it shows anything out of place on your body, and you can just keep going.




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#6 8 years ago

I would think it is faster than metal detectors. Obviously, people are not bringing metal things into the plane. You would just sidestep thru this new detector, instead of emptying out your pockets, walking thru, then putting everything back.




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#7 8 years ago
NiteStryker;5182702I would think it is faster than metal detectors. Obviously, people are not bringing metal things into the plane. You would just sidestep thru this new detector, instead of emptying out your pockets, walking thru, then putting everything back.

Dealing with a threat relies upon seeing it, identifying it and responding to it.

Assuming you're awake and tuned in the scanner allows you to see it, then you have to take the time to identify it - is it an ipod, is it a PDA, is it a bomb? And then you've got to respond. If people just stroll through the scanner chances are they can be in a crowd on the other side before you notice something was wrong with their scan and have a chance to stop them.

You're never just going to be able to walk through. When you're doing a checkpoint for a secure area like that you have to stagger the entrance to it. No large crowds on the other side of the scanner, inside the secure area, for people to vanish into. Places where, regardless of the actual content of the scan, people have to stop, and if they don't you take action against them - so that you shorten the identify part of the operation. There are other good aspects to it as well, clear sight lines if you need to take them down for instance; less chance of shooting a civilian; it makes your own presence more visible to discourage anyone who's just a bit jumpy; ease of closing to physically restrain someone; that kind of thing.

The more complex the variables involved in a scan the larger you need the pause to be and to an extent the greater the distance you want cleared on the other side of the checkpoint. Especially when you consider the people manning the point are going to turn off after doing the same thing for a while and will need time to wake up again if something is awry.

If you've just got a big red light on top of the thing that goes 'Someone with metal things.' You don't need that long, maybe ten meters clearance either side of the arch. If you're making a visual inspection of everything on a person's body down to the point where you're seeing whether the individual items they have with them are explosives or not you're looking at a much longer time.

Turn out your pockets serves quite well in that respect. People have to stop and do it and then you pick them out one by one and run them through the thing, and then they have to stop on the other side and pick the things up again too.




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#8 8 years ago

That does sound kind of stupid, but then, the whole idea of ramping up security after an attack seems pretty stupid too. The new restrictions for passengers seem stupid full stop; what was it, no standing up an hour before arrival, nothing on your lap, and only one carry-on allowed? I'm sorry, but how is that supposed to help stop terrorists? The guy that was detained had 80g of substance which would have been used to blow up a whole plane, I'm sure I could fit that very easily into even a single laptop bag, backpack, or handbag, even with stuff inside.




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#9 8 years ago
Sedistix;5182490Obesity interfering with national security... Only in America...

I'm beginning to like you now.

I'm not so sure this is about obesity though, it could be about other things. (Let's say I'm working as security...ew I don't want to see that old guy's "baggage"...heeeeeey I wanna see this young girl's jugzzzz) Although "No Having Things in Your Lap" rule is redundant. Don't they give you Skymall magazines anymore?




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#10 8 years ago

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Sedistix again.

We should have these machines in every airport, I wouldn't mind be strip searched knowning that I'm safer. I hate flying already, this would make me feel much more confortable knowing that some crazy Nigerian terrorist aint gonna try and blow up the plane.