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#31 14 years ago
MihailThey don't have the option of using a apache to do their dirty work with.

I dont think thats a good comparison.. These carbombs are aimed at. -cops -people from another religion -random people -American troops. Now only the last one COULD be justified as "right", US forces killed Iraqi forces.. So its only normal if the US takes losses too, it is after all a war. But i dont recall hearing anything about US troops killing a load of civvies on purpose, i dont recall them killing people who try to repair the basic infrastructure. Or try to build up a ruined country, because thats what these terrorists are doing. One just hates Americans, the other does it for Allah, the other wants his religion to rule the country. Things werent right before the US invaded, but they sure as hell are worse now, and if the US even dares to pull out of there, that country is going straight to hell. I wonder what Bush will do.. :uhoh:




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#32 14 years ago

Pace of Insurgent Attacks in Iraq Increase

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=9&u=/ap/20050426/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq_insurgency

Proof that my gut feeling was right... ;)




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#33 14 years ago

Yeah, um... Nope! Since the elections took place, suicide bombings and kidnappings have gone down drastically. Hell, many attacks now don't kill anyone but the attacker.




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#34 14 years ago
'[11PzG USMA2010']Yeah, um... Nope! Since the elections took place, suicide bombings and kidnappings have gone down drastically. Hell, many attacks now don't kill anyone but the attacker.

but they are still happening. That American dude is still kidnapped the Iraqi army forces have been completly routed out of Al-Qaim, a sailor was killed by an IED a few days ago in Fallujah. Did i mention that after two years after the US occupation the six mile stretch of road to the Baghdad airport is still the site of daily bombing and ambushes? Guerilla wars have their peaks and lows

http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/25/wirq25.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/25/ixnewstop.html

On the Syrian border, US troops in the Sunni city of Husaybah report mass desertions. An Iraqi unit that had once grown to 400 troops now numbers a few dozen who are "holed up" inside a local phosphate plant.




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#35 14 years ago
The 13th RaptorI dont think thats a good comparison.. These carbombs are aimed at. -cops -people from another religion -random people -American troops. Now only the last one COULD be justified as "right", US forces killed Iraqi forces.. So its only normal if the US takes losses too, it is after all a war.[/quote] Ofcourse it was a good comparison. I think that if the insurgants had apaches they'd use them over carbombs. :nodding: [QUOTE=The 13th Raptor]But i dont recall hearing anything about US troops killing a load of civvies on purpose, i dont recall them killing people who try to repair the basic infrastructure. Or try to build up a ruined country, because thats what these terrorists are doing.

You don't recall that, huh? Perhaps they haven't engaged in such activities in any larger scale this time around but the last time the U.S. were in iraq they leveled everything. They bombed civilians and infrastructure just as much as any military targets completely without any discrimination. They deliberatly bombed the country back in time quite a bit yet left Saddam on the throne to continue dictating the people. ...but then again, that information didn't get out until a few years after the war and this one is, eventhough not officially called war anymore of political reasons, still going on so i guess we'll see the final result for this one eventually after it's over. If it ever gets over.




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#36 14 years ago
I dont think thats a good comparison.

Sure it is, ones a invading force with nearly unlimited resources because of a president whois not afriad to backrupt his nation, then you have the defenders who for the most part are not trained military men, even if they were, they would not be able to use those same tactics, so logically speaking, what would be the most effective way to counter a occupational force? By fighting in the streets? where your opponent has air superiority? or do you use snipers, motars, traps and car bombs? They don't have the option of using a apache to fight their enemies.

Now only the last one COULD be justified as "right", US forces killed Iraqi forces.. So its only normal if the US takes losses too, it is after all a war.

it's not only war, it's "a new kind of war"

But i dont recall hearing anything about US troops killing a load of civvies on purpose, i dont recall them killing people who try to repair the basic infrastructure. Or try to build up a ruined country, because thats what these terrorists are doing.

I don't recall seeing iraq invade the US and drop a shit load of bombs on US cities have they? and if they did I'm sure they did not targets those civilians, those civilians just so happened to be where the bombs were dropped.

One just hates Americans, the other does it for Allah,

That's ignorant, so it's either because they hate americans or they do it for god? so I guess all the other possiblities such as wanting their own nation under their own control has nothing to do with it? or wanting iraqi money to stay in iraq? the coalition of the "willing"(paided off) are profitting off the war.

Things werent right before the US invaded, but they sure as hell are worse now, and if the US even dares to pull out of there, that country is going straight to hell. I wonder what Bush will do.. uhoh.gif

If american troops left I'm sure the nation would get alot better very quick, infact after they throw out the puppets from office, I'm sure the nation would recover since I'm sure people would pay them a arm and a leg to get oil contracts since afterall they are nearly priceless let alone a pipeline deal alone could draw in billions and billions of euros, they would be able to repair their nation, and they would be able to set a iraq the way they want it to be, not the way outside powers want them to be.




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#37 14 years ago

Artie Buccobut they are still happening. That American dude is still kidnapped the Iraqi army forces have been completly routed out of Al-Qaim, a sailor was killed by an IED a few days ago in Fallujah. Did i mention that after two years after the US occupation the six mile stretch of road to the Baghdad airport is still the site of daily bombing and ambushes? Guerilla wars have their peaks and lows

http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/25/wirq25.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/25/ixnewstop.html

On the Syrian border, US troops in the Sunni city of Husaybah report mass desertions. An Iraqi unit that had once grown to 400 troops now numbers a few dozen who are "holed up" inside a local phosphate plant.

Sure, they are still happening. But they are not nearly as successful, if that is an appropriate term.

Mihail, it is not a new type of war. Guerilla wars have existed for thousands of years. Hell, the war for American Independence was not won on any major battlefield (save Saratoga and Yorktown) but by the militia who faught essentially an underground war against the British.




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#38 14 years ago

I was quoting a american general who called it a "a new type of war"




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#39 14 years ago

Will THIS convince you, USMA?

Terrorist acts, deaths more than tripled in 2004: US

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/usattacksreport

The United States said that terrorist activity in the world increased sharply last year with the number of attacks and dead more than tripling but that it was winning the global "war on terror."

The US National Counterterrorism Center, an arm of the Central Intelligence Agency, said in a report there were 651 terrorist attacks across the globe last year with 1,907 people killed.

This compares with 625 attacks involving 208 fatalities in 2003, according to State Department figures released last year.

A total of 6,704 people were wounded in terrorist strikes last year, according to the center, compared to the 3,646 reported for 2003. Another 710 people were taken hostage in 2004, the new report said




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#40 14 years ago
MihailI was quoting a american general who called it a "a new type of war"

Well, in that case... That general should be educated on the history of underground warfare. IN 2004 THE YEAR NOW IS 2005 PAL, AND THE ELECTIONS WERE IN 2005 AS WELL!