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#1 7 years ago

Port Orchard boy wears dress, heels to school; gets suspended - Local News - Seattle, WA - msnbc.com

PORT ORCHARD, Wash. – A 15-year-old boy has been suspended from school after wearing high heels and a dress to school as a part of a challenge laid down by his mother.

Sam Saurs, a ninth grader at Sedgwick Junior High School in Port Orchard, said he told his mother that wearing high heels wouldn't be that hard. Saurs' mother challenged him to try it and he accepted. To take it even further, he decided to wear a dress, too.

"I was pretty," said Saurs.

After Saurs showed up at school Wednesday in the dress and heels, the school suspended him for the remainder of the year. That suspension was later reduced to three days. But, Saurs won't be allowed to go to the ninth grade dance or the class party at Wild Waves.

Saurs said he was disappointed it got him kicked out of school.

"If anything, it makes me want to be more out there and more spontaneous and crazy," he said.

Saurs has been suspended before for wearing makeup and hats to class.

His mother, Ivanna Leible, said she did not complain about the suspension since the school does have a ban on hats, but she said there is no rule against boys wearing dresses in the student handbook.

"I found that very offensive. They told him he couldn't be him," said Leible.

The South Kitsap School District said the issue has been resolved and would not make any further comment about the incident.

I can't really comment on this since the kid was probably an attention whore that has broken dress code before, but a suspension would be too much for just this incident alone. A ban from future school activities is a bit rough, though.

Anyway, I think this is a good topic for discussion. It's a spring-board for the social dress-code double-standard which still exists against men. Women can wear men's clothes nowadays and no-one gives a damn (even if they wear clothes bought from the men's department), but the opposite isn't true by a mile. Should this change?




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#2 7 years ago

Sexist crap. If he was waving his dick in people's faces I might agree - just as I'd agree if a girl went to school wearing a peak hole bicinie - as is this is just conformist nonsense. If a man really wants to wear a dress I've no problem with that. Equality means equality, if you have a problem with that get in line. We'll get to you eventually.




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#3 7 years ago

Sexist, but also a social norm that has yet to change. One side has. Time for the other to?

On the other side, I'm sure this kid is going to regret this act some time in the future. Many of us regret things we do as kids.




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#4 7 years ago

I think he's going to regret it more because of the fact that somewhere on the internet, his name will be associated with this act. Not so much of the norms he broke.

But I think this is a good idea of social norms. My sociology class in high school had an assignment that had us breaking similar norms but more along the lines of folkways (like eating with your hands).




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#5 7 years ago

Killer Kyle;5520316Sexist, but also a social norm that has yet to change. One side has. Time for the other to?

On the other side, I'm sure this kid is going to regret this act some time in the future. Many of us regret things we do as kids.

Two kids came to my school in drag one day. We had a good laugh. That was the end of the story. It didn't even make the press. I have images of my teachers in boob wrestling costumes that never made the press that were considered perfectly normal. We had a lot of fun and it wasn't commented upon because we don't have those prejudices to the same degree. At least not in the part of the country where I went to school.

American social norms are one of the most insular, conservative types on the planet. Topped, barely, by things like extremist religious norms.

If I wanted to wear a skirt I'd have done so in the full knowledge that I'd have been supported by my friends and teachers. As those who did come in to school in skirts were.

We're just not as - so to speak - sexist as you are. Of course I feel you should become more accepting of others. Will the kid regret it? If you become less prejudiced then no. If you become more so, or stay as you are, then yes. I suppose it depends on how much hope you have for the future.

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I guess my answer is that you're damn right it's time for the other side to change their position.




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#6 7 years ago

I though he'd regret it because it was a silly childish act, not because of the pressure of others. In fact, it seemed like the only ones that cared were the heads of the school. It was just an assumption.

Of course, you could say that the pressure of current social norms would lead to regret later on down the road. :/




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#7 7 years ago

Growing up means having the maturity to look beyond an appearance of adulthood; beyond being really grown up as a performance for your elders. I realised this at a young age and remembered to continue to have fun doing childish things. Ya' know - if it's a childish act, then screw it - do it anyway if you think you might enjoy it. Buy Lego, dress however you please, dance around a park laughing for joy, watch Rossie and Jim. Whatever --- I won't blame you. No-one can claim a monopoly on your life.

Life's both too long and too short to carry your past, or other people's standards, with you. Few short of the grave are big enough to look cool carrying regrets.

If you get that, you won't have many - if any - regrets of your childhood. If you don't, then it doesn't matter that much what you do as a youngen; unless you play it very safe, you're life will be full of them.




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#8 7 years ago

True.

It's similar to how I viewed adulthood early on. There are places and times to act mature, and then there are times you can cut up a bit (or a lot). Once you become too serious all of the time, life starts sucking. I never want to settle into mediocrity.

That doesn't free you from regret, though. You're not going to be proud of everything you did unless you've lived a perfect life in the past, which is boring and impossible to achieve.




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#9 7 years ago
Nemmerle;5520323American social norms are one of the most insular, conservative types on the planet. Topped, barely, by things like extremist religious norms.

Any personal experience in that statement or just gross generalization?


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#10 7 years ago

Killer Kyle;5520308Port Orchard boy wears dress, heels to school; gets suspended - Local News - Seattle, WA - msnbc.com

I can't really comment on this since the kid was probably an attention whore that has broken dress code before, but a suspension would be too much for just this incident alone. A ban from future school activities is a bit rough, though.

Anyway, I think this is a good topic for discussion. It's a spring-board for the social dress-code double-standard which still exists against men. Women can wear men's clothes nowadays and no-one gives a damn (even if they wear clothes bought from the men's department), but the opposite isn't true by a mile. Should this change?

Sounds like a bunch of teachers on a power trip, so nothing very surprising. I can see though that a boy in this outfit would disrupt things for a while. But after a day or so people probably wouldn't care.

Incidentally, at our school it was customary to appear in different costumes during a week in the final year. We went costumed as chavs, animals and in pyjamas. Everyone enjoyed it.