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#1 9 years ago

Source - Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

As an ex-Brit, I’m well aware of the authorities’ love of surveillance and snooping, but even I, a pessimistic cynic, am amazed by the governments latest plan: to install Orwell’s telescreens in 20,000 homes.

£400 million ($668 million) will be spend on installing and monitoring CCTV cameras in the homes of private citizens. Why? To make sure the kids are doing their homework, going to bed early and eating their vegetables. The scheme has, astonishingly, already been running in 2,000 family homes. The government’s “children’s secretary” Ed Balls is behind the plan, which is aimed at problem, antisocial families. The idea is that, if a child has a more stable home life, he or she will be less likely to stray into crime and drugs.

It gets worse. The government is also maintaining a private army, incredibly not called “Thought Police”, which will “be sent round to carry out home checks,” according to the Sunday Express. And in a scheme which firmly cements the nation’s reputation as a “nanny state”, the kids and their families will be forced to sign “behavior contracts” which will “set out parents’ duties to ensure children behave and do their homework.” And remember, this is the left-wing government. The Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling, batting for the conservatives, thinks these plans are “too little, and too late,” implying that even more obtrusive work needs to be done. Rumors that a new detention center, named Room 101, is being constructed inside the Ministry of Love are unconfirmed.

Eh, that can't be good for tourism.




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#2 9 years ago

I doubt anyone will care. It's 20,000 out of a few million. Do it quietly, a bit at a time; justify it under anti-social behaviour restraint. A few people will talk, for a short while, and then it will probably be forgoten. That's how you make this kind of thing work: softly softly.




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#3 9 years ago

Ceiling-government will be watching us masturbate :eek:

No but seriousely, what if I want to have sex in the living room?




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#4 9 years ago

I need to get out of this country before we reach the point where I need government permission to do so...




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#5 9 years ago
Serio;4966389Source - Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes | Gadget Lab | Wired.com Eh, that can't be good for tourism.

How reliable is that source, isn't it some sort of gossip and jump to the gun type of source?

Anyway, if this is correct it sounds rather sad. THough I'd assume this proposition means that parents can install these camaras on their own request if they ask for them. It would be out of the question that you could just put a camera against a persons will in their house to monitor their children... who would monitor it anyway? The parents themselves I hope? As I can't see why any person would want an outside power to watch them beyonf their front door step (or even too much in public, camaras on everycorner, hell no!).

The only situation were a camara could be understanable to install is if you have a child and you have a bit of a troubled child that needs to be watched a lot (troubled kids) and for some reason the old fashioned way of watching over your kids doesn't help and you thus request a govermenet hand out to get a camera installed. Which is silly enough (why would I le my taxes go to a person that wants to follow their kid with cameras?).

Or altnetatively: If a child is believed to be abused by it's parents but there is no evidence, so you'd install spy cameras to get evidence in order to be able to get the child out of custody of their parents and into a safe house. But that's not what this article seems to be about.




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#6 9 years ago
Admiral Donutz;4966427How reliable is that source, isn't it some sort of gossip and jump to the gun type of source?

Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families

I can tell them right now why they're having so many problem with anti-social behaviour:

  • They've trivialised the justice system. Seriously I know someone who kicked an old many half to death, six months. Six fucking months. The rest of that old man's life is ruined. Law and order? Hah! Don't make my laugh. The war on drugs has created a massive free supply of money, the lax borders and relatively easy yet illegal immigration has bought with it massive supplies of illegal firearms. The police don't even come into the estate anymore half the time, they wait until any chance of trouble has pissed off and then sweep through in their cars to pick up the bits. They don't get out of their cars very often when they do though. The quality of policing has plummeted in line with decreased sentences, and terrible government mismanagement of resources, as the job satisfaction has fallen. Most of the better officers have gone abroad.
  • They've set the school system up to teach worthless bullshit without a shred of justice in the whole thing. If you're a bully and beat someone up then you've been very naughty, take a few weeks off to enjoy yourself. And now they pretend to be all surprised when people don't behave themselves. Hell I didn't go to school for years because it was such crap. Just went for the two years at the end and then went off to university. (A Levels are surprisingly expensive to take outside of the school system) The poor bastards that get forced into that bullshit. No wonder they turn to drugs and so on.

We don't teach responsibility anymore. Even here what's the government going to do? Watch, that's what. The people they send, and are going to send, to deal with these sorts of social problems don't know what they're talking about. They're people who've decided that they can take their schooling and no life experience and go fix the wrongs they know nothing about. My aunt is one of them. When she comes into a room and starts speaking you sit there in that kind of horrified silence, like watching a car wreck in slow motion. They prattle on with their liberal psych degrees about things they clearly have never experienced; the studies to which they make reference having been created from looking at people who are in situations where they've every reason to please the psychologist; and you try not to laugh. If you know anything about psychology, if you've ever watched people flying apart under this kind of thing, you really should despair of the education system ever producing people who would be able to interfere in a positive way in this sort of thing on any sort of large scale.

We have taught rights though, a sense of entitlement. When we punish people it's a small thing and always at a distance to the wrong they have committed. Is it any wonder they never learn? When they finally do run afoul of the law in a major way people go, ‘How the hell did that happen, there were no warning signs!’ Yeah right. The pathology of criminal behaviour has and always will be the impulses we all feel taken to the extremes and removed of the limiting influences of the compassion they should have been taught by discipline and the violence of more righteous souls. It is selfishness, taken to a psychotic extreme, and that’s almost all we give people as a culture these days.

And because a section of the population conforms to those teachings we get to lockstep into hell with them. Bravo, Labour, bravo. I'd almost suspect you fucked things up on purpose if that wasn’t crediting you with more intelligence than you’ve displayed so far.




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#7 9 years ago
Nemmerle;4966432Daily Express | UK News :: Sin bins for worst families

That's going a bit far isn't it? Man your goverment is messed up! :cort:

I can tell them right now why they're having so many problem with

anti-social behaviour:

  • They've trivialised the justice system. Seriously I know someone who kicked an old many half to death, six months. Six fucking months. The rest of that old man's life is ruined. Law and order? Hah! Don't make my laugh. The war on drugs has created a massive free supply of money, the lax borders and relatively easy yet illegal immigration has bought with it massive supplies of illegal firearms. The police don't even come into the estate anymore half the time, they wait until any chance of trouble has pissed off and then sweep through in their cars to pick up the bits. They don't get out of their cars very often when they do though. The quality of policing has plummeted in line with decreased sentences, and terrible government mismanagement of resources, as the job satisfaction has fallen. Most of the better officers have gone abroad.

How about solutons such as 1) More blie (cops) on the street 2) More fair sentences in order to battle criminals more effectively and all that. 3) Setting up social programs and the like to improve troubled neigbourhoods, it is possible to change an area via various means such as focring people to move out (spreading the chav families around so they don't pack and reinstroduce propper families in a neighbourhood that has some major work done to it, works here in NL).

  • They've set the school system up to teach worthless bullshit without a shred of justice in the whole thing. If you're a bully and beat someone up then you've been very naughty, take a few weeks off to enjoy yourself. And now they pretend to be all surprised when people don't behave themselves. Hell I didn't go to school for years because it was such crap. Just went for the two years at the end and then went off to university. (A Levels are surprisingly expensive to take outside of the school system) The poor bastards that get forced into that bullshit. No wonder they turn to drugs and so on.

:cort:

We don't teach responsibility anymore. Even here what's the government going to do? Watch, that's what. The people they send, and are going to send, to deal with these sorts of social problems don't know what they're talking about. They're people who've decided that they can take their schooling and no life experience and go fix the wrongs they know nothing about. My aunt is one of them. When she comes into a room and starts speaking you sit there in that kind of horrified silence, like watching a car wreck in slow motion. They prattle on with their liberal psych degrees about things they clearly have never experienced; the studies to which they make reference having been created from looking at people who are in situations where they've every reason to please the psychologist; and you try not to laugh. If you know anything about psychology, if you've ever watched people flying apart under this kind of thing, you really should despair of the education system ever producing people who would be able to interfere in a positive way in this sort of thing on any sort of large scale.

I can't comment much on this, though it's kinda obvious that there isn't a prefab/standard solution. A strike team of book educated know a lots together with street wise people shoudl be able to do reasonably well to establish the specific cause of trouble in an area and develop a plan that has a reasonable plan to succeed, plus some backup plans...

We have taught rights though, a sense of entitlement. When we punish people it's a small thing and always at a distance to the wrong they have committed. Is it any wonder they never learn? When they finally do run afoul of the law in a major way people go, ‘How the hell did that happen, there were no warning signs!’ Yeah right. The pathology of criminal behaviour has and always will be the impulses we all feel taken to the extremes and removed of the limiting influences of the compassion they should have been taught by discipline and the violence of more righteous souls. It is selfishness, taken to a psychotic extreme, and that’s almost all we give people as a culture these days.

I don't know what the sentences are for arious crimes in the UK and how reasonable/sane they are. A sentence/conviction needs to be both punishing enough but also use reintergration/socialisation and rehabilitation and such so people can escape from their old, criminal, bonds. Granted, some people will never learn though.

And because a section of the population conforms to those teachings we get to lockstep into hell with them. Bravo, Labour, bravo. I'd almost suspect you fucked things up on purpose if that wasn’t crediting you with more intelligence than you’ve displayed so far.

Well labour must either be pleasing plenty of people around the country or doing a real good job at cheating, lying and backstabbing and bestrayal towards the public and the party's promises, goals and general vision then. =p




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#8 9 years ago
Mr. Matt;4966425I need to get out of this country before we reach the point where I need government permission to do so...

Boat on over to the U. S. of A. and witness the incoming economic depression (or collapse) firsthand. :rofl:

The judicial noose will definitely tighten when millions of unemployed or underemployed citizens do nothing but drink and raise hell. To the glorious lack of a future! :beer:




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#9 9 years ago

Admiral Donutz;4966427How reliable is that source, isn't it some sort of gossip and jump to the gun type of source?[/QUOTE] From what I hear, they're rather reliable. They're mainly a site for tech news though, so I don't know how well they handle their sources.

[QUOTE=Admiral Donutz;4966427]Anyway, if this is correct it sounds rather sad. THough I'd assume this proposition means that parents can install these camaras on their own request if they ask for them. It would be out of the question that you could just put a camera against a persons will in their house to monitor their children... who would monitor it anyway? The parents themselves I hope? As I can't see why any person would want an outside power to watch them beyonf their front door step (or even too much in public, camaras on everycorner, hell no!).

I was wondering about that too. No nation would have the manpower to monitor each citizen, each home, and each building on a daily basis. It's simply impossible.




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#10 9 years ago

IcePure;4966408Ceiling-government will be watching us masturbate :eek:

No but seriousely, what if I want to have sex in the living room?

Then the government will make some extra cash selling porn.