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!moof

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#381 14 years ago
Elrond1982Sorry about that - election fever dulls the mind. :naughty: I have to control my temper. :-) I saw sarcasm and I got sort of wierd there.

Okey dokey.

Yeah - I'll agree - Abraham Lincoln saved the slaves and if everything that happened in the past didn't happen, we wouldn't be here discussing it probably. No hard feelings what so ever - I'm surprised you didn't react harshly to my harsh reactions - you are a person of good quality for that!

I try to keep my equilibrium; I have to remain impartial when moderating.

It doesn't matter now who wins the election - if Kerry wins, he deserves the chance.

Oh, well.

I think that your list of great president is one I agree with - a few exceptions, but that's to be expected. I only had bad opinions of Lincoln because some of my ancestors died in that battle and some were wounded and suffered for many years before succuming to death. In his time, in fact, even many people in the north hated him for putting Grant the butcher in command of the army and having him burn the south.

I'm from North Carolina. I still have stories to tell about my family's participation in the War of Northern Aggression, fighting for the Confederacy (nobly, but erroneously). I do not hate Lincoln, or Grant. Both did what was necessary to preserve the Union. Sherman, however, I detest. He was the progenitor and the leader of the March to the Sea and I hate him for it.

Bush's optimism, like Reagan's, served as a beacon of hope - that's one of the qualities I respect most in him, though he is not all that good of a public speaker and goofed up on intelligence and a few domestic policies (No Child Left Behind, though it had good intent, was impracticle in the times we're in and his opposition to regulated stem cell research is something I don't care for). The fact that he is leading the nation during the war against terror is to me a catalyst for social reform around the world - if it works, which I think (I hope) it does - in that way, some of those things must be done to ensure that our allies are same not to mention America.

I fear, however, that all too many see Bush's optimism as a beacon of danger, rather than one of hope. Reagan united the world; Bush has not. I feel he is turning the world against us.

Eventhough I frown down at France for compromising International safety, I still would not want to see a terrorist attack hit them any time. The hatred some nations have with America is similar to the hate I've seen many Americans, including myself, have for other nations. Every nation sees every other nation as arrogant or incompetant because sometimes they themselves are arrogant - it's human nature - I have been known to be snobby and arrogant towards some countries, including ours when our government did something stupid.

I cannot agree more.

G.H.W. Bush's administration was mediocre because of how the first war in Iraq turned out - the only thing we got out of that was a (temporary) agreement by Iraq to not make WMD's. Whether they did or not and then gave them to terrorists, no one seems to be able to put their finger on.

Now, this I disagree on. The Persian Gulf War destroyed Saddam's army, ended his quest to become a regional power, took away Saddam's ability to create and stockpile WMDs, and crippled the regime. For the $5 billion we paid to do the ewar, I'd say that's a helluva deal.

My arrogance indeed was reflected in my reaction to your first post - I stay by my own beliefs, but not that you were trying to put me on the defensive - I can say I'm wrong for that - experiences shape how people act and this year has been one that has been remarkably terrible for me. It's awefully selfish of me to throw my hang-ups on people, but I overreacted. The beliefs I have in some things remain, but I cannot get all bleeding heart about it. Thanks for correcting that error on my part. I expected to get flamed or banned, but I am glad that didn't happen because I feel guilty enough about that. Peace my friend!

No problemo.




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#382 14 years ago

Yep - the only thing the first Bush administration didn't do is to apprehend Saddam - then that spat would have been over. I really hope that for the next four years that we don't have to occupy Iraq that whole time - hope something better comes of all this. Yeah - Sherman was sure a butcher! The guy wasn't only a terrible burner but a terrible curser - along with all his other faults! In all, the Civil War was a terrible thing that happened to the nation. There were rare moments where a flag of truce would be lifted into the air and one Confederate and one Union soldier would meet to exchange tobacco and coffee. They were friends for the night and enemies the next morning because the war had to go on. General Longstreet, 1st Corps Commander of the Army of Northern Virginia was heard to say, "we should have freed the slaves, then attacked Ft. Sumter." That would have eliminated one cause of the war for the Union, but the main thing was to preserve the Union. Back then, it was constitutional for a state to seceed from the Union - that's pretty much the only reason why I think Lincoln could have negotiated with the South before they got desperate and attacked. But that war was gonna happen anyway I guess - both sides were arming for war a couple of years before the Civil War began. The nation is separated today, but not nearly as much as it was then - I'm glad times now aren't like they were then. We have it so great now compared to 140 years ago! Goes to show that a nation that's meant to succeed will succeed even through the most terrible of dark times. Speaking of presidents and politics and such, on the same day of the United States presidential election, my local astronomy club had a meeting where officers were chosen by vote - I won the vote for president of that club - I tell ya, what good timing to elect a president of the astronomy club - the same day the president of the US is elected! I'm so proud of this because I get to update my resume! :-) Imagine someday if I became president of the United States - thinking high, but that's how they do it. Of course, I wouldn't want the job anyways - both Clinton and Bush aged a lot in just four years of being in office. That must be one stressful job. Rated on top of the stressful jobs list, above the president, are surgeons, paramedics, firefighters, police, etc. People in the emergency response services are people who I have to say have the toughest jobs - it takes a heck of a strong mind and physique to be able to survive those types of jobs! Well I can definitely say that I hope that in these next four years Bush can complete what he was forced to begin. I hope our military intelligence information processing becomes accurate enough so that it will save the lives of more of our troops. I heard somewhere that over 3,500 terrorists have died since 9/11. Well, we have lost over 3,000 in the attacks plus over 1,100 in the wars - that's 4,100 altogether - I can say that we have a long way to go. But even if we were able to eliminate a million terrorists (I don't think there are that many), it still wouldn't equal the price we paid in lives since 9/11. We lose about 1.5 troops per day (3 every two days average). Hopefully that doesn't go up in the next phases of the war if this war continues. Most large wars usually have lasted four years, leaving out Vietnam, Persian Gulf, and this one. But now we're dealing with an enemy that doesn't have a line of troops to fight directly - we're dealing with patches of terrorists spread very thin and when they attack, they take us by surprise. The same thing happened in Vietnam - everybody's underground or disguised or making videos or something. The way I think about it is that when the terrorists are doing well, they make a major movement on America like 9/11. When they are desperate and overwhelmed, they make a video. I figured it would be the other way around, but you never know with these terrorists! They don't have super weapons and planes or satellites to monitor us - they just have hijacking, explosives experience, and the element of surprise. Somewhere in there has to be the answer to taking them out - how to find that answer is a different topic altogether. In World War II, we were used to the enemy making blunders - now we are getting used to our nation making blunders. Well, we're bound to get in over our heads at some point - we'll just have to adapt, hopefully.




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#383 14 years ago
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Its funny how sharpton didnt even really have black support




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#384 14 years ago
Elrond1982Yep - the only thing the first Bush administration didn't do is to apprehend Saddam - then that spat would have been over. I really hope that for the next four years that we don't have to occupy Iraq that whole time - hope something better comes of all this.

We will have to occupy Iraq. It took 30 years for us to really end the occupation of Germany and Japan, and that was with a defeated population. I will be surprised if we leave Iraq within the next two decades.

Yeah - Sherman was sure a butcher! The guy wasn't only a terrible burner but a terrible curser - along with all his other faults! In all, the Civil War was a terrible thing that happened to the nation. There were rare moments where a flag of truce would be lifted into the air and one Confederate and one Union soldier would meet to exchange tobacco and coffee. They were friends for the night and enemies the next morning because the war had to go on.

If the Radical Republicans and Booth hadn't screwed things up, the country would have probably reunited with ease. But that is history.

General Longstreet, 1st Corps Commander of the Army of Northern Virginia was heard to say, "we should have freed the slaves, then attacked Ft. Sumter." That would have eliminated one cause of the war for the Union, but the main thing was to preserve the Union. Back then, it was constitutional for a state to seceed from the Union - that's pretty much the only reason why I think Lincoln could have negotiated with the South before they got desperate and attacked. But that war was gonna happen anyway I guess - both sides were arming for war a couple of years before the Civil War began.

Realy, that was the question: Is it constitutional for a state to secede? South Carolina had been trying to secede for years (I hate South Carolina) and even Andrew Jackson had to threaten force to end the confrontation. It was in dispute, whether or not secession was legal. The Civil War, to me, was law enforcement, albeit with armies.

The nation is separated today, but not nearly as much as it was then - I'm glad times now aren't like they were then. We have it so great now compared to 140 years ago! Goes to show that a nation that's meant to succeed will succeed even through the most terrible of dark times.

America was never meant to succeed. It was created from isolated and dissenting sections. However, the amazing Constitution and Bill of Rights gave dissent a place while retaining the primacy of the nation. In this manner, disagreement has not been explosive (except the Civil War) and the necessary actions have been taken.

Speaking of presidents and politics and such, on the same day of the United States presidential election, my local astronomy club had a meeting where officers were chosen by vote - I won the vote for president of that club - I tell ya, what good timing to elect a president of the astronomy club - the same day the president of the US is elected! I'm so proud of this because I get to update my resume! :-)

Good for you.

Imagine someday if I became president of the United States - thinking high, but that's how they do it. Of course, I wouldn't want the job anyways - both Clinton and Bush aged a lot in just four years of being in office. That must be one stressful job. Rated on top of the stressful jobs list, above the president, are surgeons, paramedics, firefighters, police, etc. People in the emergency response services are people who I have to say have the toughest jobs - it takes a heck of a strong mind and physique to be able to survive those types of jobs!

Isn't that the president's job: "emergency response services"?

Well I can definitely say that I hope that in these next four years Bush can complete what he was forced to begin. I hope our military intelligence information processing becomes accurate enough so that it will save the lives of more of our troops. I heard somewhere that over 3,500 terrorists have died since 9/11. Well, we have lost over 3,000 in the attacks plus over 1,100 in the wars - that's 4,100 altogether - I can say that we have a long way to go. But even if we were able to eliminate a million terrorists (I don't think there are that many), it still wouldn't equal the price we paid in lives since 9/11. We lose about 1.5 troops per day (3 every two days average). Hopefully that doesn't go up in the next phases of the war if this war continues. Most large wars usually have lasted four years, leaving out Vietnam, Persian Gulf, and this one. But now we're dealing with an enemy that doesn't have a line of troops to fight directly - we're dealing with patches of terrorists spread very thin and when they attack, they take us by surprise. The same thing happened in Vietnam - everybody's underground or disguised or making videos or something. The way I think about it is that when the terrorists are doing well, they make a major movement on America like 9/11. When they are desperate and overwhelmed, they make a video. I figured it would be the other way around, but you never know with these terrorists! They don't have super weapons and planes or satellites to monitor us - they just have hijacking, explosives experience, and the element of surprise. Somewhere in there has to be the answer to taking them out - how to find that answer is a different topic altogether. In World War II, we were used to the enemy making blunders - now we are getting used to our nation making blunders. Well, we're bound to get in over our heads at some point - we'll just have to adapt, hopefully.

It's going to take a long time, it's going to be expensive, and we won't enjoy it. I hope America can get over itself and do it.




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#385 14 years ago

Indeed, as I hope America can as well! We will have to occupy Iraq, but hopefully it will get safer there if we are able to root out the insurgents. Japan was occupied and Berlin was occupied after WWII for a while. Yep - the president's job is an emergency service, that's why I would place it as a most stressful job, along with being a fire fighter, policeman, and medics. Of course, I left out an important one - being in any armed service. Booth really did cause a lot of tension after his crime - he thought the south would consider him a hero after he killed Lincoln, but no one in their right minds wanted Lincoln dead. The Civil War had brought so many lives to an early end and the death of Lincoln just caused a lot more damage. I'm glad Bush won the election since I voted for him - to give him four more years to complete what America must now complete. But I wouldn't have been that angry if Kerry had won - everyone gets an equal chance, at least we always hope. I agree that we will probably be occupying Iraq for decades more. I don't know if that decision will depend on the next presidents to come, since they are the commander-in-chiefs of the armed forces. Whatever amount of time we occupy Iraq, hopefully our military intelligence improves, as it's a different war where we're not fighting a line of troops. We are fighting pretty much a ghost force that hides most of its numbers and infiltrates defensive lines without being detected until it's too late. But that is the reason why we'll be occupying Iraq for a good long time. This war may last longer than any other war (except the 100 year war which ironically lasted 114 years - I think). :p It's been great discussing this with you, !moof! I remember right before the election ended we began with me getting hostile - and now we are having a friendly discussion - that's progress! You have a well-organized perspective on political and logical issues. Until next post, enjoy the remainder of your weekend and enjoy the week! :cool:




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#386 14 years ago

I am no fan of bush myself, but you gotta hand it to him. He won the election again, by manipulating his opponents weakness to his favour. Also, he managed to sway the gay vote and convince the christians to vote for him. In my opinion that screams of idiocy. But not from Bush. The homosexual voters didn√Ąt realize that Bush was just kissing up to sway them to vote for him. There will be no favours granted to homosexuals from the Bush administration. And the christian society is just as blind to Dubya's manipulation as the homosexual one is. Dubya is about as much of a true christian as Charles Manson is. So in fact, Bush is not the idiot everyone believes him to be. The american people are idiotic for voting for someone like him again. Best of luck to ya America...