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NiteStryker

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#1 9 years ago

Why are so many people against putting cameras up on every street corner? I think its an excellent idea for safety of the public. Cameras in the workplace to make sure your employees are not just messing around excessively (a little yes, but not sleeping their whole shift).

Red light cameras, excellent, make sure people obeying the law. I think we need to up it a notch and put em everywhere. Why not?




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#2 9 years ago

Because if that's required for society to function properly, there is no trust, and if there's no trust, then we're socially fucked.

Also, you really seem to like the idea of taking the law as far as it can go. What people seem to forget is that the concept of laws is designed to protect the public, not punish people just because it can.




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#3 9 years ago

Isn't putting cameras everywhere a good idea to protect people?? Does putting them everywhere harm the public unless they go so far as to put them up your ass?? Is there trust anyway??




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#4 9 years ago

missing.string;4970174Because if that's required for society to function properly, there is no trust, and if there's no trust, then we're socially fucked. [/QUOTE] There is no trust, as people still seem to commit crimes on a daily basis. Obviously people cannot be trusted. Cameras would be a nice enforcer by showing that everyone will be held accountable for their actions. As it should be.

And I cant wait for someone to cry "zomg what about my privacy". There is no privacy in public streets. There is no privacy inside a store. There is no privacy at your workplace. There is no "right to privacy". The only places of guaranteed privacy are bathroom stalls and your place of residence.

[QUOTE=missing.string;4970174] Also, you really seem to like the idea of taking the law as far as it can go. What people seem to forget is that the concept of laws is designed to protect the public, not punish people just because it can.

Its not just "random punishment". Nothing would happen to you if you are not breaking laws. You wont be arrested for scratching your nose.

Cameras WOULD protect the public. If you know you will be seen and then caught and held accountable for your action against another, you are less likely to do it.




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#5 9 years ago

I don't want to have to pee in my trousers just because some idiot is watching and will send a patrol after me if I don't (there are almost no public restrooms available in the middle of the night), that they would hardly be likely to catch me on the spot doesn't matter when they could identify me using the footage. Other than that and the ethical problem of spying on everyone I also don't think it is a good way to waste resources, you don't only need the massive amount of cameras, but also people who are paid to watch them for them to do any good.




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#6 9 years ago

If you aren't participating in gang wars or picking up whores then there is no problem with it. The law doesn't care if you itch your balls or spit. and to the second poster, humans cannot be trusted, as we are all so different in the mind, and have different motivations and desires, unlike other animal species. The defect of having a malfunctioning society is in response to the asset of having greater intellectual abilities than any living thing known. This is why we need to have the responsible members of society (lawmakers, people on cameras) watch over those that are irresponsible ones (criminals). Ants and Bees don't have that problem, which is why I am amazed that insects didn't evolve into what humans are to the planet first. This may not be the most efficient method of controlling society, as vandalism of the cameras would probably be incredibly widespread. I would suggest something like robotic policemen with strict programming and such to be able to maintain the law without going berserk.




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#7 9 years ago

Sounds like a good idea. If you have nothing to hide, then you should not care. People would think twice about doing crimes knowing they are always being watched. We just have to make sure we don't go as far as 1984 :p




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#8 9 years ago

Huffardo;4970278I don't want to have to pee in my trousers just because some idiot is watching and will send a patrol after me if I don't (there are almost no public restrooms available in the middle of the night), that they would hardly be likely to catch me on the spot doesn't matter when they could identify me using the footage. [/QUOTE]

Really?? Not a single public restroom open at night where you are?? In Denver all Taco Bells & Burger Kings are open 24hrs per day.

Huffardo;4970278Other than that and the ethical problem of spying on everyone I also don't think it is a good way to waste resources, you don't only need the massive amount of cameras, but also people who are paid to watch them for them to do any good.

I just thought of an easy job that any dumbass could do but will require millions of people to become effective. If only we had millions of unemployed people to make it work....

[QUOTE=NiRv4n4;4970283]I would suggest something like robotic policemen with strict programming and such to be able to maintain the law without going berserk.

That's too much to ask. Anyone that's ever seen a scifi movie knows that humans will never be able to build robots that don't go berserk & take over the world.




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#9 9 years ago

evildude;4970312Sounds like a good idea. If you have nothing to hide, then you should not care. People would think twice about doing crimes knowing they are always being watched. We just have to make sure we don't go as far as 1984 :p[/QUOTE] We wont without severe public disscent. Cameras in peoples private homes? No. Except if you are a sex offender, then I'd say sure.

[QUOTE=TodtheWraith;4970327] I just thought of an easy job that any dumbass could do but will require millions of people to become effective. If only we had millions of unemployed people to make it work....

Gotta come up with the money tho.




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#10 9 years ago
TodtheWraith;4970327Really?? Not a single public restroom open at night where you are?? In Denver all Taco Bells & Burger Kings are open 24hrs per day..

In more densely populated areas they tend to close some public areas to keep homeless from coming in. If you've been to NYC, Chicago, San Francisco, or LA, you'd see this is often the case for many people. Some areas don't let people use their restrooms unless they got some reason to be there.

As for these cameras, the main reason why people might be opposed to them is the cost of implementing them and the benefit they can get. They serve as a somewhat effective deterrent, but the cost to install them on every major intersection and maintain them from there is fairly steep. The only people who tend to benefit are the people who install and maintain them. A town next to mine put some in but halted them when they started draining their budget, and in turn caused our plans to be halted at a grand total of three cameras.