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emonkies

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#41 7 years ago

Now a days you a college degree in Law and/or Criminology and preferably military experience to get a job as a cop and you want to go down to the unemployment line and toss out cops jobs like they are candy to every pimp, drug pusher, and anyone else who wants one?

Nemmerle I get the distinct impression you hate cops. At very least it seems you have zero respct for them or the job they do.




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#42 7 years ago

Anlushac11;5607832Now a days you a college degree in Law and/or Criminology and preferably military experience to get a job as a cop and you want to go down to the unemployment line and toss out cops jobs like they are candy to every pimp, drug pusher, and anyone else who wants one?[/QUOTE]

See, now you value the things - a minute ago you were saying how awful they were. Well, not you you but the general theme...

Also, odd though this may seem to you, not everyone who can't get a job is a criminal. Not that I think drug dealing or pimping should be illegal - so in all honesty I wouldn't have any trouble if we did hand out policeman jobs to them. I've met drug dealers who are perfectly nice people.

Edit: You see the thing is - I think you're thinking that drug dealers are evil twisted arseholes. But they're not. All of the black market in that sense is by word of mouth and trust, and if they were arseholes they'd never get any business. A drug dealer's just a friend of a friend of a friend who you pay for the occasional substance you can't get anywhere else. At its worst it's slipping some money under a door and getting some drugs passed out in return.

Unless you get into debt, of course, but that goes with pretty much everything in life - they just don't have the option to take your house if you fuck them over like the bank does. Solution: Don't fuck them over.

But really - this is largely an aside - I don't think you'd end up with a load of drug dealers or pimps. You can bet someone making thousands a week doesn't spend his time down the unemployment office.

Anlushac11;5607832Nemmerle I get the distinct impression you hate cops.

Not at all. I think most of them are decent people doing a fairly nice job.

[QUOTE=Anlushac11;5607832]At very least it seems you have zero respct for them or the job they do.

If pitying suffering's all you call respect, then I pity your standards if nothing else. It's possible to think someone's a decent chap without thinking he must also be in pain.




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#43 7 years ago

Demonseed;5607791Unfortunately, your sequence of events is deeply flawed. I worked in law enforcement for years, and I can tell you that you NEVER send a police dog into a situation that you wouldn't send an officer into. Officers, especially canine officers, treat the animals just like colleagues.

Further more, the escalation of use of force is pretty cut and dried. The officers appear to have escalated as they should have been trained, going from verbal to non lethal to lethal as the suspect disregarded commands and became aggressive.

Where this all breaks down is the second volley of shots the officer fired. However, I'm not ready to condemn him for this. I'm not saying he was in the right, but none of us know what he was thinking at the time. Having seen the suspect soak up a direct hit from a tazer (if you've never been hit with one, you can't understand how odd that really is), it's completely believable that he may have felt the suspect was still a threat.

As in any situation like this, I promise you the cop had no desire to shoot the suspect, He'd have been much happier if he had complied, dropped the hammer, and been taken into custody. Contrary to popular belief, 99% of cops are good people who work hard at a thankless job for not nearly enough money. Sure, there are bad apples, but the vast majority are people who work their asses off to try to keep the public safe.

As was mentioned earlier, this cop's life is now about to become a living hell. Whether or not he's guilty is going to become irrelevant in the circus that's on tap.

What sucks for cops everywhere is that they work long hours for not nearly enough money, and the only time anyone has anything to say about them is when something like this happens, and every cop gets called a racist, violence-prone thug. If you want to make a cop's day, thank him for the work he does. It means a hell of a lot more than you might think.

All due respect to your professional experience, but claiming that a dog should be treated like any other collague doesn't make any sense. How many of your collugues can run 30 miles/hour and bite with several hundred pounds/inch²? And with respect to protecting a dog from harm - like it or not, but a dog is an animal and as such it legally has fewer rights than a human. I'm not sure about US law, but over here pets are legally considered to be a thing. They get some additional protection in terms of animal cruelty laws, but their rights compared to those of a human are rather limited.




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#44 7 years ago
MrFancypants;5607844All due respect to your professional experience, but claiming that a dog should be treated like any other collague doesn't make any sense. How many of your collugues can run 30 miles/hour and bite with several hundred pounds/inch²? And with respect to protecting a dog from harm - like it or not, but a dog is an animal and as such it legally has fewer rights than a human. I'm not sure about US law, but over here pets are legally considered to be a thing. They get some additional protection in terms of animal cruelty laws, but their rights compared to those of a human are rather limited.

What you say is all true, but what I meant to impress upon you was something different. I apologize for not being clear.

The dogs used in police work go through an extensive training regimen alongside their K9 officers. For all intents and purposes, they ARE that officer's partner. Just as I wouldn't tell you to charge that armed man if you were my partner, they wouldn't order the dog to do so. Police departments are legally liable for any actions the dogs take. Their training records can and are subpoenaed in court cases.

It's not really a matter of like it or not as much as it is a matter of the legal system treating them on par with an officer, and officer doing the same.

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As to the issue of police officer's pay, I believe that you'd be surprised what a new officer would make. After attending the police academy, you can expect to make somewhere in the neighborhood of $15-17 an hour. You'll work nights, weekends, and holidays. You won't get extra money for working nights and weekends. You'll be exposed to all sorts of violent behavior, diseases (like AIDS, Hepatitis and more!), dangers, and stupidity. People will fight with you on a regular basis.

You'll be expected to handle all of this without losing your cool. The entire time, you'll know in the back of your mind that some idiot could pull a gun on you at any time and start blazing away. It'a sobering thought, believe me.