Canadian seal hunt. Good or Barbaric? 104 replies

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Nostradamouse

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#1 12 years ago

So, well what do you think about it? Im posting this article from BBC.

BBC News Canada seal hunt gets under way Fishermen in Canada have begun what is expected to be one of the biggest seal-hunting seasons in decades. The hunters returned to the ice floes after the government gave the go-ahead for more than 300,000 seals to be killed this year. Authorities say the hunt is now more humane and that the rising seal population needs to be controlled. As in previous years, animal rights groups are campaigning against the hunt, which they say is cruel. The activists also say Canada is trying to appease fishing communities for political reasons. The fishermen blame the seals for the devastation of Canada's fish stocks and have pressed for a renewed culling. The two-month hunt takes place on ice floes off the Atlantic coast, where the seals give birth. Earlier this month, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans said in a statement that Canada's seal population was healthy and abundant. "The harp seal herd - the most important seal herd for this industry - is estimated at around five million animals, nearly the highest level ever recorded, and almost triple what it was in the 1970s." Boycott Large-scale hunting will be allowed to continue until the number falls to under four million. One official told the AFP news agency: "We have to do our job responsibly. We are looking at the middle ground, taking into account conservation and the economic needs of the region." But anti-hunt activists, who claim many animals are skinned alive and die in agony, say they will press ahead with a boycott of Canadian seafood. "I think that [the Canadian government] are feeling the heat... they can see the really serious implication of going ahead with the hunt this year," said Pat Ragan, of the Humane Society of the United States. "We're going to be encouraging consumers to enter into dialogue with their grocery stores and their restaurants and say, 'Please don't serve Canadian seafood', or, 'I won't buy Canadian seafood until this hunt is over'," she told Reuters news agency. The seal hunt in Newfoundland and Labrador went into decline some 25 years ago, after images of hunters clubbing infant seals horrified TV viewers across the world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4392217.stm Ill do myself a point of not showing a bloody image. Those activists seem to completely forget about the facts that are behind that hunt. The fish stocks are at their lowest and the seals are becoming more and more present.

I support this hunting for the fact that it is for a greater good and is actually to help the fish stocks. I also say that the points of the protesters are that they look cute, making them ignore their effect on the fishs, and also the cruelty in the killings, well have they ever watched at a white bear hunting?

Discuss!

-=Edit=- While at it, another article, good to see how misinformed I believe they are. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060303/Seal_hunt_060303/20060303?hub=TopStories




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#2 12 years ago

I'm telling you those canadians are barbaric I mean look at what they do in the summertime mad-max-2-04.jpg




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#3 12 years ago

A hunter killing a seal is no more barbaric than a polar bear or shark ripping it to pieces. Depending on the hunter, it's probably more humane. I'm generally anti-sport hunting, but as with the white-tailed deer if something is not done to control the population (because we were retarded enough to get rid of all of their natural predators) the entire ecosystem will be out of balance.

We screwed things up, so we need to fix them. If we let seals, deer, or any other animal breed out of control with no predators to keep the population in balance are being inhumane to the rest of the ecosystem. Of course if we'd just not mess up ecosystems in the first place we wouldn't need to...




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#4 12 years ago

Nature has always seen fit to stablize itself, so even if there are "more then needed" nature will "repare" the damage. No need for us humans to go kill and make money from it.




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#5 12 years ago
Kođ»sakoffNature has always seen fit to stablize itself, so even if there are "more then needed" nature will "repare" the damage. No need for us humans to go kill and make money from it.

but you seem to forget that it could be helluva bad for us, canadians, (especially for the guys living on the easternmost coast) because of the fact these little bastards eat all they can, thus preventing us from having enough fishs to do a correct exploitation. Also, what I do not like is that it is actually foreigners ; Paul McArtney, Brigitte Bardot (Someone who has been caught with illegal ivory earings btw) and others that are trying to make us stop it. Like if we could not have that type of debates by ourselves. They come in, rambling, misinformed and histerical

If you check the second link, it tells you everything they are actually missing about the exploitation. Yes, it might be done for fur, but at least, they are used to do something.

What do you do when you have a bug infestation? You spread insecticide or natural predators to control it. Now we have an infestation of seals, we can not send insecticide, so we send in hunters, 5 millions of seals is too much for what the region can support.




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#6 12 years ago

Hey, I'm for killing those seals.....more coats for me :D




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#7 12 years ago
Originally posted by Kođ»sakoff Nature has always seen fit to stablize itself, so even if there are "more then needed" nature will "repare" the damage. No need for us humans to go kill and make money from it.

Nope.

Originally posted by Inyri Forge We screwed things up, so we need to fix them. If we let seals, deer, or any other animal breed out of control with no predators to keep the population in balance are being inhumane to the rest of the ecosystem.

Yup. There are no natural predators to even out the seal population again. Except of course us. :beer:

Of course if we'd just not mess up ecosystems in the first place we wouldn't need to...

In a perfect world...




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#8 12 years ago

Its all about the money.

If the fishermen were allowed to fish and club as much as they wanted to, both "species" would be on the brink of extinction, if not already passed it. If no money could be made from killing either species, there would be alot less people out there doing it, i hope everyone here understands that, this is no way being done "for the sake of a healthy ecosystem" Its late, i dont have the time to research this issue right now,but i have my doubts about this being completely the fault of the rising seal poplation.




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#9 12 years ago

I agree that seals need to be killed, it's definitely good to keep populations in check before their overbalance an ecosystem, but it's the manner in which they are killed that makes me wary. Most hunters (from what I have heard) just walk up to the seals, who aren't afraid of humans, with an icepick or axe and just puncture their skull so that they don't waste a bullet killing something that won't run away anyway. That is what disgusts me about the business. Mind you, I might be wrong about the favored method of killing, but that is the only problem I have against this issue.

-EDIT- Of course (in response to 13th Raptor), you cannot kill in excess. The populations need to be regulated at an ideal, moderate size. No overpopulation, no extinction.




Nostradamouse

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#10 12 years ago
The 13th RaptorIts all about the money. If the fishermen were allowed to fish and club as much as they wanted to, both "species" would be on the brink of extinction, if not already passed it. If no money could be made from killing either species, there would be alot less people out there doing it, i hope everyone here understands that, this is no way being done "for the sake of a healthy ecosystem" Its late, i dont have the time to research this issue right now,but i have my doubts about this being completely the fault of the rising seal poplation.

It is not completely their fault, but the matter is that it does not help. The population record is not the best thing around. The hunters' population is at its peak, while the source is at it's lowest. Limiting the effect of the hunters' would help the overburned stocks to get back up. May I also tell you that we have a ban on the fishing of a couple of species of fishes because their numbers are too low? It is also to take in consideration that the same fishes are actually seals' "treat". Too many of them does not help the ecosystem at all.

It is certain it is for money, but it has been permitted because of the "positive" effects it could have on the fish stocks.

Also, one thing I oppose is that we get misinformed foreigners telling us what to do and what not to do about them.