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#1 7 years ago

Not much more I can say than that. The rest of the documentary is ok, maybe a bit biased, but the ending part is probably the best and most important part.


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#2 7 years ago

Don't really care for the music and pictures, but what he says makes sense. No good reason to keep religion around any longer, especially in its radical and fundamentalist forms. Worst of all is that religious people can often use "religious freedom" as a get out of jail card where others would be condemned by society for similar views.




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#3 7 years ago

I don't think it's so much a problem with religion persay as it is the way leaders have used what they needed to overcome the rationality of people into a more 'willing' form- be it in the form of religion or nationalism as we see currently.

I don't think it'll be as easy as simply getting rid of religion as the conditions that drove the 'extreme' actions behind it will still be there. It'll just adopt a different form.




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#4 7 years ago

He did actually kinda say that. He said, "because there are no actual Gods talking to man that void is filled in by people's own corruption."

But I remember, in another interview, someone said that the main problem is that religion provides a powerful language which both sides (those who preach peace, and those who preach destruction) can use to justify their actions.

It's no secret that there really are decent religious people who just want to do good, but it's the way people twist it and pervert it that makes it so destructive.

Thomas Jefferson was against organized religion and state sponsored churches, not necessarily because he was against religion in general (even though he did write a whole book that basically took the teachings of Jesus into account but left out all the miracles), but because he knew that the people running the show, the clergymen, had, as he put it, "Perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."


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#5 7 years ago

True, but I was getting more at the whole idea of chastising people because of religious beliefs. I think this is a bad way to argue the point to someone and it makes it hard to get at the core of it.

Historically religion was used in this manner- Cristero's War in Mexico and the PDPA against the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan- with clergy riling up people against the government over perceived disrespect towards god and country- when the same governments were attempting to implement land reform that would have benefited them. Just over this perceived 'disrespect' towards god and trouncing on 'tradition'.

The clergy in those regions were closely related to the landowners- if not landowners themselves- and saw a reason to do what they needed to protect their interests and fool those along with it. You see a similar case with the Latifundia in Italy and Spain.




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#6 7 years ago
Commissar MercZ;5570477True, but I was getting more at the whole idea of chastising people because of religious beliefs.

I see what you mean, but you also have to remember that Bill Maher is not only a political pundit of sorts, he's also a comedian. He actually says in the very beginning of the "docucomedy" (as it's known, I guess =p) "This is more a light-poking fun. It's sort of a roast. I'm not making fun of religion, it makes fun of itself."

I guess you could argue that he is basically making fun or being condescending because of that bit, and even some of the dialogue in the film, but I think you get what I mean. Or what he means :smokin:


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#7 7 years ago

A little biased? Wrong choice of words there. Not saying I don't agree with much of that documentary.




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#8 7 years ago

Pointless,Nothing but mockery, that Bill marzhead is so bent, why bother watching.




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#9 7 years ago

I actually saw that documentary and even if he was biased, it's easy to see how many things are true he talks about in it.

I respect religion, but I don't like the fact people grovel because of it.