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#11 9 years ago

Roaming East;4905600hopefully as being the only 1st former American politician to be hanged for war crimes. Engaged in aggressive war for profit? check Ordered Humans rights abuses during the above? check Lied under oath in order to instigate the war? check.

This guy has all the qualifications that the US has lined foreign leaders against the wall for. He'll skate of course. thats how hypocrisy works.

Uhhh you realize only Congress had the power to stop it or allow it? Which they allowed?

We were paranoid for the same reasons the Nazi's rose to power.




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#12 9 years ago

Warforger;4906326Uhhh you realize only Congress had the power to stop it or allow it? Which they allowed?

We were paranoid for the same reasons the Nazi's rose to power.

Yeah, and only Congress has the power to formally declare war on another country and utilize the awesome might of the United States military but as ive seemed to have missed that declaration it seems fairly obvious that the executive branch can and WILL go around constitutional checks in order to accomplish their goal.

As torture is against the law and the bill of rights and the constitution either spirtually or literally, Congress doesnt even have the power to authorize it but if the vice president in the process of conducting an arbitrary war for profit decides to arbitrarily order torture then who can stop him? especially if said order, in memo form, went from his desk to agents in the field by-passing congress completely?




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#13 9 years ago

Who cares, Iraq people are much better off, fitness clubs, internet,recycling,veterinarians,new schools, long awaited water for years and years, ,agriculture,two track roads now drivable, simple bridges giving needed access, way better health,stores,imports, a stock market,cell phones,way more radio and TV.iraqi army,med vac,even an air force The list goes on and on if any of you cared to take a look. But I guess for you elite pompous liberal bastards all that stuff is torture. Get off your high horse and shut the fuck up.




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#14 9 years ago

Roaming East;4906764Yeah, and only Congress has the power to formally declare war on another country and utilize the awesome might of the United States military but as ive seemed to have missed that declaration it seems fairly obvious that the executive branch can and WILL go around constitutional checks in order to accomplish their goal.

As torture is against the law and the bill of rights and the constitution either spirtually or literally, Congress doesnt even have the power to authorize it but if the vice president in the process of conducting an arbitrary war for profit decides to arbitrarily order torture then who can stop him? especially if said order, in memo form, went from his desk to agents in the field by-passing congress completely?

However, Congress could have cut funding or attempted to impeach him or any of a number of other things to keep his focus away from Iraq. As far as I'm concerned if you want to start hanging politicians you should hang the whole lot and start fresh.




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#15 9 years ago
Quetron;4907054Who cares, Iraq people are much better off, fitness clubs, internet,recycling,veterinarians,new schools, long awaited water for years and years, ,agriculture,two track roads now drivable, simple bridges giving needed access, way better health,stores,imports, a stock market,cell phones,way more radio and TV.iraqi army,med vac,even an air force The list goes on and on if any of you cared to take a look. But I guess for you elite pompous liberal bastards all that stuff is torture. Get off your high horse and shut the fuck up.

Why would I give a fuck what benefits a bunch of Iraqies get? This war has cost us billions, killed members of our armed forces and made us vulnerable to torture by our own governments. Fuck the Iraqies, this isn't about them.

Quite asides from which the absence of those benefits, where they actually were absent, stems more from the sanctions than it does from anything else.




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#16 9 years ago
Afterburner;4907085However, Congress could have cut funding or attempted to impeach him or any of a number of other things to keep his focus away from Iraq. As far as I'm concerned if you want to start hanging politicians you should hang the whole lot and start fresh.

i like the cut of your gib, alright deal. lets get some rope. Another point, Congress likes to tack on 'extras' to all those war funding bills. of the 50 billion asked for, about a quarter of that generally goes to shit that has dick all to do with the military or the war. Riders ftl




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#17 9 years ago

Roaming East;4906764Yeah, and only Congress has the power to formally declare war on another country and utilize the awesome might of the United States military but as ive seemed to have missed that declaration it seems fairly obvious that the executive branch can and WILL go around constitutional checks in order to accomplish their goal.[/QUOTE]

Vietnam was not declared war and neither was the first gulf war. Neither is the ongoing conflict in afghanistan, and I dont see obama looking for a declaration.

[QUOTE=Quetron;4907054]Who cares, ... But I guess for you elite pompous liberal bastards all that stuff is torture. Get off your high horse and shut the fuck up.

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I semi-agree kinda, i just wanted to say you have worse karma now than I ever had ever...and I had baaaad karma at some points :lol:




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#18 9 years ago

Funny that you brought up Vietnam. It was because of that war that the War Powers Act was passed. In theory it was to keep presidents from engaging in these little adventures without congressional approval or oversight. Part of the resolution was that after 60 days, Congress had to approve any continued use of military force. Such approval was sought and gained during the 1st Persian Gulf War. The current war in Iraq was continued through passage of the Iraq War Resolution with in essence, freed the president from having to get continuous authorization for military action (congress actually RELINQUISHING power?!). The joke of the matter is that the GOP controlled majority back then so even with over 60% nay votes from the DNC side of the house, Bush gained the ability to wage unlimited protracted warfare in and around Iraq.

Obamas not looking for a declaration because he in his own words demands american withdrawal within a year so yeah, theres that.




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#19 9 years ago

A year, I thought he had 60 days with no declared state of war. And we are shifting to Afghanistan. Need a declaration sometime soon...




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#20 9 years ago
NiteStryker;4908013A year, I thought he had 60 days with no declared state of war. And we are shifting to Afghanistan. Need a declaration sometime soon...

2 things, A-stan is under UN law, so declaration for 'war' was through UN resolution (sorta like Korea). Second, you declare war on governments. The hostile government in A-stan, the Taliban, is already out of power so theres really nobody to declare war on at this point. nothing that has the ability to be represented within the UN anyway.