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Aeroflot

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#1 10 years ago

What I am about to say may seem heretical to you.

After studying Buddhism and Christianity for a few years I have come to the conclusion that the religion we know as Christianity today is a totally false religion which has been significantly altered from the teachings of Jesus Christ. But not only that, Christianity is a false religion as it exists, a careful mixture of Judaism and Eastern Religion (Buddhism, Hinduism, etc). I do not mean to be so blunt about it, trust me, but right now I am still a bit tipsy.

A lot of this discovery comes from my own experience studying Christianity and Eastern Religion, but much also comes from facts.

Here is one fact: Buddhism was founded before Christianity.

The Indians sent Buddhist missionaries to the West which could have and most likely influenced philosophy of the region. Buddhist missionaries being sent to the West is fact also. The were sent along the silk road (which flowed through Persia and ended up in Egypt). The Gnostics, many of whom altered Christianity (or did they?) to suit their needs/wants/ambitions, must have based their own philosophies upon Eastern Religion. There is many similarities between the two religions, such as that the key to God is through finding the inner Self that lives below the ego (all your thoughts). Gnosticism deals with gods which Buddhism does not, but in my opinion the 'gods' which Gnosticism talks about are your ego and your consciousness. The satanic god of Gnosticism is the Demiurge, who is the one who created earth and the Gnostics associate with the Old Testament God and who I associate with the ego. The God who is the God of Christians is the good God of the Gnostics but who I see as the conscious, enlightened Self, who will save the day in the end.

So here is the comparison Christianity----Gnosticism----Buddhism --OT God--------Demiurge---------Ego --NT God-----------God-------Enlightenment

But enough with Gnosticism for now.

The teachings of Jesus Christ parallel those of Eastern Religion. Now what I really mean by Eastern Religion is that Hinduism and Buddhism and Jainism are similar in their teachings so I'm leaving open the possibility that either of them or a combination of those religions could have influenced Christianity. Let me show some examples:

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Buddha: With the relinquishing of all thought and egotism, the enlightened one is liberated through not clinging.

Jesus: Those who want to save their life will loose it. Those who loose their life for my sake will save it.

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Buddha: One is the way to gain, the other is the way to Nirvana, knowing this fact, students of the Buddha should not take pleasure in being honored, but, should practice detachment.

Jesus: No slave can serve two masters For a slave will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.

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Buddha: Just as a mother would protect her only child at the risk of her own life, even so, cultivate a boundless heart towards all beings. Let your thoughts of boundless love pervade the whole world.

Jesus: This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends.

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Buddha: Consider others as yourself.

Jesus: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

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Buddha: One who acts on truth is happy, in this world and beyond.

Jesus: You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.

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Said Jesus,”If someone slaps you on the right cheek turn the other cheek as well. If someone takes your coat, give him your shirt and pants as well.”

Buddha said, “If anyone should strike you with the hand, with a stick or with a knife, you should abandon all desires and say no bad words.”

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Jesus said. “You have heard it said, love your neighbor. But I tell you, love your enemies, be good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who hurt you.” “Love one another as I have loved you.”

Buddha said, ”See yourself in others, who then can you hurt.” “Hate never overcomes hate. Only love overcomes hate. Cultivate boundless love toward all beings.”

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“Do not judge and you will not be judged,” said Jesus. “Don’t go looking for the splinter in your brother’s eye and not notice the plank in your own eye,”

Buddha said, “How easy its to see your brother’s faults, how hard to see your own.”

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Well you get the idea. Yeah, it is all kinda of basic stuff that probably every religion has. But then there is some other stuff.

Mark 8:34-35 (NIV) Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it."

"Deny himself" is the key phrase here. What does it mean to deny yourself? In Buddhism it means to rid yourself of the ego and set yourself free. Christians interpret it as to put yourself last. I tend to think that Christ meant to not only rid yourself of your ego but also that THAT is the key to God who is inside you. This is why I think that...

Luke 17 (KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Buddhists believe that you cannot observe your true nature within because your ego is in the way. Nobody knows where the true nature is because it is unknowable, the ego cannot produce thoughts which can describe it. The Bible says that the Kingdom of God is within, which is exactly what the Buddhists believe, if you take "God" out and replace it with 'Self.'

There are some other quotes that I don't remember but I'll put them up later.

I believe that Jesus Christ was a Buddha. According to Gnostic texts, Jesus grew up as a naughty child but somehow found God. Many of us grow up as angry teenagers, so why not Jesus? He could have been awakened by Buddhist missionaries. There are 17 years unaccounted in Jesus' life.. so it could be possibile. Ramana Maharshi achieved enlightenment at 16, as an example of this being possible. But my opinion is that I don't know about Jesus' childhood and that does not matter because it could have been altered by the Church. But what I said is entirely possible.

With that said, Jesus left a life of a enlightened being, preaching his words like many other enlightened beings tend to do. Jews who heard about Jesus--ignorant Jews who never heard of these crazy new philosophies--and they saw Jesus as their messiah. The Jews could not bare to see their God waste away into nothingness so they decided that they would combine Jesus' teachings with Judaism and found a new religion. Buddhists believe in a Trinity of enlightenment, so the Jews used that as a basis for the Jesus, God, Ghost thing. If God is actually a personification of the enlightenment, then Jesus is another form of it and so is the Ghost.

So Christianity is really Buddhism, but with Judaism as a base.

I probably missed some things so I'll clarify later on if necessary

And please keep the argument relevant to this thread. There's a million other threads on religion if you want to argue basic stuff




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#2 10 years ago

Radioactive LOBSTAH!




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#3 10 years ago

Why another thread?

Anyways I don't think any Christian is going to claim that their religion is the first one. Christianity didn't come to be until Jesus was on Earth.

The fact that you found some same traits in Buddhists and Christians doesn't come to a great shock either. I bet ALL Religions came from 1 base Religion and over time people had different ideas that others didn't agree on so ... *Poof* out comes another religion.




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#4 10 years ago

Starting to identify the lies? Good job. Follow the rabbit down the hole and see how far the deception goes.

The same type of unscrupulous, manipulative scoundrels who brought you your corrupt governments, judicial, commerce, and education systems, they also brought you your religions and gods.




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#5 10 years ago

I agree with Sed on this one. He basically read my mind.




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#6 10 years ago

Christians probably wont claim Christianity was the "first" religion, but they sure claim it's the "true" one. Which is what makes it hard for anyone but half-Christians or Nontheists to discuss the matter. Trust me, i've tried discussing religion with Religious people, but they're never open to theories. Which is why i doubt many will be open to your theory, despite how well written it is.




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#7 10 years ago

70% of britains have given up on Christianity.




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#8 10 years ago

Preach it man!

Also you can draw a lot form the Kemetic faith, Mithraic Mysteries, even paganism. Christianity borrowed a lot form each of them and wrapped them into there faith. uh what wall of text?


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#9 10 years ago

Sa Anupuw, do you expect anybody to read that wall of text? Before you copy, paste, and post, sort out the grammar and punctuation.

Additionally, how am I supposed to get answers from bible verses that are out of context concerning the thread?




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#10 10 years ago

I fear your theory might've been based on historical misconceptions and hypothesis on hypothesis.

Aeroflot;4742571What I am about to say may seem heretical to you.

After studying Buddhism and Christianity for a few years I have come to the conclusion that the religion we know as Christianity today is a totally false religion which has been significantly altered from the teachings of Jesus Christ.

You're not the first to comment on the changes made to the teachings of Jezus. I'm sure you know Nietzsche's Antichrist?

Here is one fact: Buddhism was founded before Christianity.

The Indians sent Buddhist missionaries to the West which could have and most likely influenced philosophy of the region. Buddhist missionaries being sent to the West is fact also. The were sent along the silk road (which flowed through Persia and ended up in Egypt).

Could, but probably didn't. Where are the historical and archeological documents to prove this theory? Where in the Middle East have the teachings of the Buddha been found? Or Buddhist monasteries? Did any groups of people, or kings convert? No evidence of this kind exists. What we have is numerous texts and archeological remains from for example China, where Buddhism did have a (pretty) large impact.

I am trying my very best to recall all the texts I have ever read on ancient history on Buddhist missionaries arriving in the West or Middle East (that would've been a sight to remember!), and as you might know I've read quite a few, but I don't know any. If you have any, please give them. I'm always willing to learn.

[We do have Greek texts that tell us about the Indians and their priestly class, for example when Alexander the Great visited them. Of course those were Hindoes, not Buddhist.]

The Gnostics, many of whom altered Christianity (or did they?) to suit their needs/wants/ambitions, must have based their own philosophies upon Eastern Religion. There is many similarities between the two religions, such as that the key to God is through finding the inner Self that lives below the ego (all your thoughts). Gnosticism deals with gods which Buddhism does not, but in my opinion the 'gods' which Gnosticism talks about are your ego and your consciousness. The satanic god of Gnosticism is the Demiurge, who is the one who created earth and the Gnostics associate with the Old Testament God and who I associate with the ego. The God who is the God of Christians is the good God of the Gnostics but who I see as the conscious, enlightened Self, who will save the day in the end.

Because of some general similarities you decide that the Gnostics based their teachings on Buddhism?

So here is the comparison Christianity----Gnosticism----Buddhism --OT God--------Demiurge---------Ego --NT God-----------God-------Enlightenment

You don't consider the idea that the Gnostic/Christian God is the same as Buddhism's Enlightenment a bit far fetched? Btw, you tell us of an Eastern religion that influenced the Gnostics and Christians. Which? The 'pure' teachings of the Buddha? Mahayana? Hinayana? Also: are general similarities enough to conclude influence? And the Gnostic idea of a Demiurg and a God who stands above him comes from Platonism.

I believe that Jesus Christ was a Buddha. According to Gnostic texts, Jesus grew up as a naughty child but somehow found God. Many of us grow up as angry teenagers, so why not Jesus? He could have been awakened by Buddhist missionaries. There are 17 years unaccounted in Jesus' life.. so it could be possibile. Ramana Maharshi achieved enlightenment at 16, as an example of this being possible. But my opinion is that I don't know about Jesus' childhood and that does not matter because it could have been altered by the Church. But what I said is entirely possible.

We do know a lot of stories about the childhood of Jesus, but leaving that asside: there is really nothing to support the theory that a poor carpenter from a small village in Judea was influenced by these Buddhist missionaries turning up from nowhere.