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Tolga<3

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#21 9 years ago

Well Harold and Kumar are gonna have new friends in Guantanamo :)

Meh, all they're doing is making the religion look bad, what a group of idiots lol.

It was friendly in Istanbul as far as i know muahahaha. It was even friendlier here in Alanya.




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#22 9 years ago

Pft, airport security. Airport security is a fucking joke. You could crack open pretty much any electronic device and rig an explosive in there, airport security don't know what they're meant to look like.

'Oh there's a circuit board looking thingy inside a laptop looking thingy.'

They take away anything sharp but you can buy heavy bottles of booze and other assorted objects of an easily weaponised nature on the other side of the security gate.

They take away liquids in little bottles but let you keep more than enough to blow the plane in two if it really was a liquid explosive.

:rolleyes:

Let's be honest, the recent emphasis on airport security is a way to jolly morons along, and possibly to sell you a bit more on the other side of the security checkpoint. All the useful counter terrorism stuff goes on long before anyone gets to an airport and includes stuff like cultural profiling, which people say is awful but actually makes a lot of sense.

If you really wanted to blow something up you'd stay quiet about it, flick through some fairly elementary chemistry books, make a bomb and go do the thing - no-one any the wiser until the explosions started. The problem, if you want to look at it from the terrorist's point of view, is you've got to talk some poor shmuck into it since you don't really want to die for it yourself - and when you do that you expose yourself to discovery.




NiteStryker

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#23 9 years ago

You dont even need some super high tech circut board thing. A single firecracker would be enough to at least damage the plane enough to stop it from operating properly, and gravity would do the rest.




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#24 9 years ago

From AP:

An affidavit said he had a device containing a high explosive attached to his body. The affidavit said that as Northwest Flight 253 descended toward Detroit Metropolitan Airport, Abdulmutallab set off the device — sparking a fire instead of an explosion.

According to the affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Detroit, a preliminary analysis of the device showed it contained PETN, a high explosive also known as pentaerythritol. This was the same material convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid used when he tried to destroy a trans-Atlantic flight in 2001 with explosives hidden in his shoes.

I'm guessing from this and other reports that he had these chemicals in his carry-on and also had a device attached to his body, so with the scanner machine and the puffer machine, he still got through, unless they don't have them in Amsterdam.

Nemmerle;5180121Pft, airport security. Airport security is a fucking joke. You could crack open pretty much any electronic device and rig an explosive in there, airport security don't know what they're meant to look like.

'Oh there's a circuit board looking thingy inside a laptop looking thingy.'

They take away anything sharp but you can buy heavy bottles of booze and other assorted objects of an easily weaponised nature on the other side of the security gate.

They take away liquids in little bottles but let you keep more than enough to blow the plane in two if it really was a liquid explosive.

:rolleyes:

Let's be honest, the recent emphasis on airport security is a way to jolly morons along, and possibly to sell you a bit more on the other side of the security checkpoint. All the useful counter terrorism stuff goes on long before anyone gets to an airport and includes stuff like cultural profiling, which people say is awful but actually makes a lot of sense.

If you really wanted to blow something up you'd stay quiet about it, flick through some fairly elementary chemistry books, make a bomb and go do the thing - no-one any the wiser until the explosions started. The problem, if you want to look at it from the terrorist's point of view, is you've got to talk some poor shmuck into it since you don't really want to die for it yourself - and when you do that you expose yourself to discovery.

That's what I'm thinking.

Glad this guy didn't manage to blow up a plane and got some nasty burns on his legs for it. Kudos to the passengers for stopping anything else from happening as well.




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#25 9 years ago

According to this article I was reading,

Father of Detroit would-be bomber warned US - Yahoo! News

The bomber's father was concerned with what was going on with his son as he associated with certain groups, and even went as far as to report him to the US embassy.




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#26 9 years ago

Phoenix_22;5180169

I'm guessing from this and other reports that he had these chemicals in his carry-on and also had a device attached to his body, so with the scanner machine and the puffer machine, he still got through, unless they don't have them in Amsterdam.

Schiphol airport (Amsterdam) uses has a metal detector for passengers and a X-ray machine for luggage (which may perhas also trace explosives and such?).

They do have a full body scan machine (basically a big box, you enter, a scanner goes all around you to produce a 3d body scan) which can detect a variety of (hidden) things, but that is in testing/experimental phase. I'm not sure if they also use it for regular (high risk) flights, though I do kow you can refuse to enter the scan and undergo a pad down instead. With both however there obviously are people/organisatins who raised privacy issues and such.

I have just read in the newspaper that the dutch organisation of flight crew said it would like to make these more strict security measures (pad downs/scannings and lugge search) permanent and more widespread as "when it comes to the balance between privacy and secuirty, security is more important". :sitonit:

IMO, there should be a reasonable balance, to stop absolute incompentent people from trying to pull something off. ore then that won't really work, it's a one in a billion risk, there are plenty of methods to outsmart security so it would be a bit pointless. At best you might slightly increase the odds of caching a perosn who has put atleast a little bit of effort into it. But too me that small risk wouldn't be worth throwing pretty much all my privacy out of the window so "the general public" can feel "secure" (and who then cryout when somebody outsmarts security and expected it to be 100% perfect :rolleyes: "please sir, strip down naked, hand over all your belongings and enter this metal, blast proof, box, have an unenyojable flight").




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#27 9 years ago

All I know is this is going to make air travel more of a pain in the ass. Now, you wont be allowed to take soda from the beverage cart because someone can make an explosive out of sprite.