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masked_marsoe VIP Member

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#1 8 years ago

What are your thoughts on how "initial" citizenship should be structured?

I've simplified it in the poll, leaving out a foreign national obtaining citizenship well after birth (ie Green Card, or via Immigration Process") as this tends to go through a "residency permit" process, rarely would a country offer full citizenship straight away.

In NZ, we switched from having citizenship by birth, to citizenship via parents, a few years ago, and this thread was also inspired by an article in my local paper about a woman who had lived here for 50 years but had only just got her citizenship. She had moved from the Netherlands as a small child, but had not got NZ citizenship because the Dutch government didn't allow dual citizenships until quite recently. However, she claimed she had felt "100% New Zealander" for her entire life - which made me wonder why she held onto her Dutch citizenship for 50 years.




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#2 8 years ago

I like the current US system. If your parent is an American, you're an American. If you're born here, you're an American.




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#3 8 years ago
Crazy Wolf;5374337I like the current US system. If your parent is an American, you're an American. If you're born here, you're an American.

same here, its relatively easy for anyone to be a citizen here.




Von Mudra

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#4 8 years ago

Imma go with parent's citizenship. Currently, in the US, we have a major problem with "anchor babies." Essentially, illegal immigrants will come over pregnant and about to give birth, have the kid in the USA, and then be able to stay in the country as their child is now a US citizen, despite being in the country under false pretense.




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#5 8 years ago
Crazy Wolf;5374337I like the current US system. If your parent is an American, you're an American. If you're born here, you're an American.

I think that system is best, other wise makes little sense, or could be called un fair.




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#6 8 years ago

[COLOR="Black"]I voted that there should be no citizenships. In my opinion it doesn't make a lot of sense to grant people rights based on the location they were born. Getting rid of citizenships altogether would increase the individual freedom, create competition between governments (if there are few barriers to migrations governments have to be efficient to keep qualified workers), reduce overhead (don't want to know how much my government spends on dealing with illegal migrants) etc. There would also be some downsides - there would be more competition on the job market, but those downsides may lead to beneficial developments in themselves. Maybe a social security system that would collapse under strain of limitless immigration would simply be modified so that it is only applicable to people who have worked within a country for a number of years. [/COLOR]




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#7 8 years ago

[COLOR="Black"]I voted that there should be no citizenships. In my opinion it doesn't make a lot of sense to grant people rights based on the location they were born. Getting rid of citizenships altogether would increase the individual freedom, create competition between governments (if there are few barriers to migrations governments have to be efficient to keep qualified workers), reduce overhead (don't want to know how much my government spends on dealing with illegal migrants) etc. There would also be some downsides - there would be more competition on the job market, but those downsides may lead to beneficial developments in themselves. Maybe a social security system that would collapse under strain of limitless immigration would simply be modified so that it is only applicable to people who have worked within a country for a number of years. [/COLOR]




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#8 8 years ago
Von Mudra;5374345Imma go with parent's citizenship. Currently, in the US, we have a major problem with "anchor babies." Essentially, illegal immigrants will come over pregnant and about to give birth, have the kid in the USA, and then be able to stay in the country as their child is now a US citizen, despite being in the country under false pretense.

Quoted for truth.

Citizens by parents, definitely.




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#9 8 years ago
Von Mudra;5374345Imma go with parent's citizenship. Currently, in the US, we have a major problem with "anchor babies." Essentially, illegal immigrants will come over pregnant and about to give birth, have the kid in the USA, and then be able to stay in the country as their child is now a US citizen, despite being in the country under false pretense.

I keep hearing about how it is a "major problem". Do you have information that supports that claim? As in, something that shows that anchor babies are harming America?




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#10 8 years ago
Crazy Wolf;5374495I keep hearing about how it is a "major problem". Do you have information that supports that claim? As in, something that shows that anchor babies are harming America?

I think he means that illegal immigrants are using their babies as an excuse to stay in america.