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Karst

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#1 11 years ago

Well, later today i'll be leaving for my first day of civil service and for that matter my first day of any sort of job.

To explain this phenomenon: civil service is part of the mandatory military service. It is an alternative for people who for one reason or another do not wish to joing the military. My reason is because i don't want to lose my American citizenship which of course i would joining any foreign armed forces. It lasts 9 months, and we do various things in the social sector, the most typically associated jobs are as a medic, or ambulance driver, and working in an old folk's home. I'll be working in a refugee camp, although camp isn't the right word since all refugees have lived there for at least a year or so and live in houses, not tents. Most of them are families, and most come from Chechenya, so needless to say they've probably had a pretty messed up past. They get a bit money from the state, and their children go to school here so they're pretty well accustomed. Anyway, immigration is not what i'm bringing up for discussion but rather the whole idea of civil service in general.

Although at the time it is of course a nuisance to me since the pay is really low, it's a valuable component of the welfare state. A lot of the excellent healthcare and various other social services could not exist as they do without us civil servants. The military, on the other hand, is pretty much completely useless. There is absolutely no reason why a small country in the middle of Europe should ever be involved in a war, so i believe it could be reduced to an absolute minimum, used only for catastrophes and as a reserve in case some kind of unlikely crisis happens. Watching the borders is the police's job anyway.

What do you think?




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#2 11 years ago

I did my civil service in a small hotel, it was lots of fun as I had a large variety of tasks and the payment wasn't that bad considering the amount of work I had to do. Civil service can be unpleasnt if you end up in a bad position, but generally it is better than military service.




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#3 11 years ago

Update after this first day: quite interesting actually, i was carrying around stuff most of the time, sorting stuff into closets and carrying large garbage bags of old matresses, i also helped some guy with his language course homework. If nothing else, i'll have lots of variation in what i do.

MrFancypants;3560946I did my civil service in a small hotel, it was lots of fun as I had a large variety of tasks and the payment wasn't that bad considering the amount of work I had to do. Civil service can be unpleasnt if you end up in a bad position, but generally it is better than military service.

In a hotel? Why did they get a civil servant?




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#4 11 years ago

well good luck!




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#5 11 years ago

well good luck.




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#6 11 years ago

I wish America had this program. Not to join the military in particular, but spend two years of your life giving back to your country.




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#7 11 years ago

Only nine months. Nonetheless it is an important component of society.




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#8 11 years ago

I think that in theory it is a good idea. It has the capacity to provide you with good life skills. What basic training do you get to prepare you for your service?




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#9 11 years ago
KarstThe military, on the other hand, is pretty much completely useless.

How about people learning self-discipline, systematicy and first aid, how to act in drastic situations, how to survive in nature, organizational & leadership skills, getting new friends & exciting experiences and better physical shape, truck driver's license or qualifications for electrician, mechanic etc. not to mention employment effect in the society for people serving in armed forces one way or another and economic effects on enterprises depended about the military? The military takes care that the independency of a country is secured and the country can live in peace now and in the future, you can't put all your cards on the hands of foreign nations: the best people to defend a country is the own people. The military is far from being useless.

There is absolutely no reason why a small country in the middle of Europe should ever be involved in a war, so i believe it could be reduced to an absolute minimum

Denmark & Norway thought that they would never get involved in WW II but what happened? How about Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, Greece and so on? Even though the security situation in Europe seems to be very stable & secure now and next few years, can you know what the situation is like in 10 or 15 years? There are various (potential) security risks like Russia where Putin & his supporters have firm grip in politics, media and armed forces which is heavily modernizing its equipment. Russian rhetorics are getting tougher, its major investors are buying off European energy companies and Europe itself is dependent on Russian energy.

The resources of the globe are getting more limited every day and wealth is being centered more and more into the hands of Russia and major political, economic and military powers of the east, China and India. Terrorism is global and the threat of sudden nuclear strike by some major power or terrorists themselves can't be ruled out. In today's globalized world, regional crisis are also global ones which always have its reflection effects (domino effect): how WW I started?

In the start of 1930's no-one could ever expect that second major war in the world would happen, but how wrong the people were. Furthermore, it's not just like your country would get directly invaded but it may get into war or same kind of crisis through reflection effects or between the war of two major powers (like Germany-France in WW I and II, Belgium being between them).

But about the civil service: it's good that those who don't want to serve their country through armed service can choose other ways and civil service workers provide great every-day help for the society.




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#10 11 years ago
Relander;3561813How about people learning self-discipline, systematicy and first aid, how to act in drastic situations, how to survive in nature, organizational & leadership skills, getting new friends & exciting experiences and better physical shape, truck driver's license or qualifications for electrician, mechanic etc. not to mention employment effect in the society for people serving in armed forces one way or another and economic effects on enterprises depended about the military? The military takes care that the independency of a country is secured and the country can live in peace now and in the future, you can't put all your cards on the hands of foreign nations: the best people to defend a country is the own people. The military is far from being useless.

I don't need the military to learn any of these qualities. I get plenty of exercise, i like my co-workers, i do a variety of work. The military is, in a lot of places, simply obsolete.

Denmark & Norway thought that they would never get involved in WW II but what happened? How about Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, Greece and so on? Even though the security situation in Europe seems to be very stable & secure now and next few years, can you know what the situation is like in 10 or 15 years? There are various (potential) security risks like Russia where Putin & his supporters have firm grip in politics, media and armed forces which is heavily modernizing its equipment. Russian rhetorics are getting tougher, its major investors are buying off European energy companies and Europe itself is dependent on Russian energy.

The resources of the globe are getting more limited every day and wealth is being centered more and more into the hands of Russia and major political, economic and military powers of the east, China and India. Terrorism is global and the threat of sudden nuclear strike by some major power or terrorists themselves can't be ruled out. In today's globalized world, regional crisis are also global ones which always have its reflection effects (domino effect): how WW I started?

Russia is no direct military threat to Austria since they don't share borders and no bordering country would simply let them invade, not to mention that even if they were there would be nothing our tiny military could do. Considering every country we share borders with is a member of the European Union (ok, except Switzerland and Liechtenstein but i really don't think they're a potential military threat), and they'd be economically doomed if they started a war within the Union, there is no reason to assume the military will ever be needed for homeland defense.

In the start of 1930's no-one could ever expect that second major war in the world would happen, but how wrong the people were. Furthermore, it's not just like your country would get directly invaded but it may get into war or same kind of crisis through reflection effects or between the war of two major powers (like Germany-France in WW I and II, Belgium being between them).

What? Everyone could expect a big conflict was coming, everyone was preparing for it, it was just a matter of time.