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#21 11 years ago
Relander;3561902 In what "places" the military is "obsolete" anyways? Just for interest.

Exactly in the one we are talking about here: compulsory military service. Over here they are constantly reducing the number of people who do military service because they are useless and only cost a lot of money. Civil service however remains more or less unchanged because it's a cheap source of labour which large parts of help-organizations rely on.

The concept of a large standing army with reserves doesn't make any sense in a country that anyway has a low defensive budget and is surrounded by democratic nations for a thousand kilometers in any direction. It would make more sense to have a smaller, but more effective army to be able to help in peace-keeping missions and specialised equipment as contribution to Nato. And that's exactly the sort of change the Bundeswehr is trying to implement.




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#22 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Smitty025 View Post Not necessarily. Check it. I disagree, I feel anyone who wants to run for office should be allowed to do so. What would he/she gain from those years? If they don't already understand government and have a plan for their political future, then they are problably not even running. Sure, maybe they get a different perspective of the waste that exists in government, but what does that do? Everyone knows there is waste, and there are always politicians calling for change. Unfortunately, reelection is an important factor in our process, and racidal solutions (nearly any solutions actually) are rarely even officially proposed, nevermind enacted.In a small country that doesnt have a need for a active military It seems tehy could sign a deal with a neighboring country to ahve their people serve in a neighboring countries military but after serving they would be in their countries military reserve. The host countries military could bill the guest country at a pre determined and agreed upon rate. Only other option is to give the UN a standing Army.

I feel required civil or military service makes you a better person. It promotes maturity, is a learning experience, and teaches discipline, and gives the person a view of what its like to be on the side that has to do the dirty work.

Its just my humble opinion that politicians who have been in the military and know whats going on are less quick to jump the gun and send troops into combat. They know what its like to be there and getting their hands dirty.

In a way look at USMC Officer training and pilot training. They spent the first part being a grunt, marching, digging foxholes in the mud, and sleeping in the rain and cold. It gives them a ability to appreciate what the men they are ordering around or flying over havr to go through. IMHO it makes them better at what they do.




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#23 11 years ago

Any form of mandatory service, be it civil or military, is a severe reduction in freedoms. The ONLY time ANY sort of mandatory service should be required is in a time of total war, such as a war to actually defend the U.S. borders or if we get involved in a WWIII.




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#24 11 years ago

I would have to agree with Afterburner, I do not believe I or anyone else for that matter should be forced into something they do not agree with. You are basically forcing people to work for the government, not a very good idea IMO, but a good idea if you want to impose a certain world-view (such as gov't = good) on people I suppose.




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#25 11 years ago
WarHawk109;3562491I would have to agree with Afterburner, I do not believe I or anyone else for that matter should be forced into something they do not agree with. You are basically forcing people to work for the government, not a very good idea IMO, but a good idea if you want to impose a certain world-view (such as gov't = good) on people I suppose.

What if you are not forced to work for the government, but a civil service to give back to your country. Like say two years of your life helping to build homes for homeless victims of Katrina?




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#26 11 years ago
Dobrze Kurwa;3562609What if you are not forced to work for the government, but a civil service to give back to your country. Like say two years of your life helping to build homes for homeless victims of Katrina?

It's still forced labor and I would not stand for it. Now if you were to ask me and provide me with the means to get down there I would gladly do it as a charity. But forced labor is still forced labor even when done for charity.




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#27 11 years ago
Dobrze Kurwa;3562609What if you are not forced to work for the government, but a civil service to give back to your country. Like say two years of your life helping to build homes for homeless victims of Katrina?

You already 'give back to your country' (though I'm at a loss as to what my country has done for me recently), it's called taxation.




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#28 11 years ago

Compulsory service bad. I'm a pretty nice human being, I didn't need my government to send me to work for nearly a year to learn how.




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#29 11 years ago
Karst;3561832 Russia is no direct military threat to Austria since they don't share borders and no bordering country would simply let them invade, not to mention that even if they were there would be nothing our tiny military could do. Considering every country we share borders with is a member of the European Union (ok, except Switzerland and Liechtenstein but i really don't think they're a potential military threat), and they'd be economically doomed if they started a war within the Union, there is no reason to assume the military will ever be needed for homeland defense.

Basicly you're saying that you're not willing to defend your country, freedom and Europe because you do not see a threat at the moment? :uhm: Future's brightest hope.

Forced labour? Defending your country... And if you don't want to stand up to the front along with all manly men, the attentive guards of your country, you don't have to. If you're not willing to do a civil service either, no-body requires you to be Austrian/German/Finn. But service is what we expect, be proud of it. Especially respect all those young men and women who still voluntarily take military service.




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#30 11 years ago

WarHawk109;3562491I would have to agree with Afterburner, I do not believe I or anyone else for that matter should be forced into something they do not agree with. You are basically forcing people to work for the government, not a very good idea IMO, but a good idea if you want to impose a certain world-view (such as gov't = good) on people I suppose.[/quote]

It doesn't really work that way, the government can't really push their views on me since i don't work directly for them, they just pay me. I don't have any contact with actual government officials, in fact we discuss all kinds of government shortcomings a lot at work.

We civil servants don't work for the government, we work for refugees, old or sick people and the like.

[quote=Rikupsoni;3563171]Basicly you're saying that you're not willing to defend your country, freedom and Europe because you do not see a threat at the moment? :uhm: Future's brightest hope.

I didn't say that. I said it's unnecessary. Of course i'd be willing to defend my Europe if it was necessary. It just isn't.

Forced labour? Defending your country... And if you don't want to stand up to the front along with all manly men, the attentive guards of your country, you don't have to. If you're not willing to do a civil service either, no-body requires you to be Austrian/German/Finn. But service is what we expect, be proud of it. Especially respect all those young men and women who still voluntarily take military service.

I'm not complaining about having to do this. The work has a large degree of variation, i like my coworkers, the athmosphere is pleasant, and i have the feeling i'm doing something useful. I'm absolutely for keeping this service, it's important for our country and as Anlushac said, i think it's good life experience to have "gotten your hands dirty" on simple but important work.