Clash of Ethnicity? 13 replies

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Kommit

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#1 11 years ago

Alot of people know about WWII, but does anyone know of the existence of an entire army division of nearly half a million Muslims into the whermacht, SS, luftwaffe etc..??

According to Hitler's Soviet Muslim Legions and a few Pan-Turanian sites as well as wikipedia states that Muslims, many of them Turks, Mongols, Tartars lead by fundamentalist Mullahs, Muftis and corrupt politicians to aid in the Axis side of the war. It would appear that they have joined willingly.

It seems that middle-east muslims actually participating in killing pows, civilians and enslaving concentration camp victims mainly on the Russian front. Even after the war is lost many muslims like Iran's dictators still cling on to these Nazi ideologies. Why? Also in the post-WWII trials, how come we don't see any muslim names on the defendant list? Are they excused just because they are non-German?

Of course many know that Hitler used propaganda to rally more allies, but why are so many Turks and other middle-easterners treat Hitler's atitude as being genuine towards them even today?? Search google type in "Turkey" and "mein kampf" in the same line and you will obtain results that recently in the past its the best selling book within Turkey. Why is that?

Besides why is Germany and Turkey such good friends throughout history? Is it strategic? or Family? or an alliance formed only by greed with Germans and Turks seeing each other only as tools when ever convienient?

The thing with the Turks is the whole thing with the grand pan-turanism theorem. I don't know if its genetically proven but almost every nation in the middle east to mongolia to japan is claimed to be ethnically and culturally identical, same language, same family, same DNA, bloodline etc. That is what I found Pan-turanists or Pan-Turks to believe. They even claim that the US is rightfully theirs to reclaim because the natives where suppose to be Turanian-Turkic also. Sounds like a declaration of war does it not??

The most infamous and most vocal Pan-Turanian seems to be the Grey-Wolves, which consists of Turkish and Central-Asian fundamentalists whos opinions I find a bit biased and extreme due to their mistreatment and discriminating atitudes towards Kurds and Armenians and christians in general. There is a map on wikipedia that shows a united Turanian empire. If you consider central asian countries all the way across the stans to palestine, it would be even larger the Russia.

Some muslim countries have a navy, although really small, but when every turanian nation combines together what fleet do we have??

I am not trying to single out a group or anything but just about anything I found states of the outrageous brutality praticed by Turkic and other islamic fundamentalists in many wars. The way Turkish soldiers treat pows is through disgusting mutiliation. "See Kurdish Genocide", "Cyprus conflicts". Alot of them don't show regret. Also after 9/11, the middle-east and these Pan-Turanians where basically the most vocally in the mood to dance at the death of those that have nothing to do with them.

But it seems that today's media and the Bush Admin's mistakes, the popular opinions seem to favour the Pan-Turanians. The Grey-Wolf pan-turanians are quite notorious for prancing around the streets demonstrating ranting biased opinions. They love to intrude Cypriots who want independence demonstrations, Kurdish demonstrations and Armenian demonstrations.

Search through sites of Cypriots, Kurds and Armenians and you will find that they freqeuent have their demonstrations for human rights and stuff intruded and sometimes attacked and no effort is made by authorities to stop the Turks. Of course if it attacker was a KKK member instead he would be in jail faster than the speed of light.

Alot of sources, including books seem to state that Turks originated from Mongols, plunged through asia and middle-east, done whatever crimes imaginable, and slowly converted to Islam. That is what many texts say.

By the way in one of the quotes by Enver Pasha, the dictator of Ottoman Empire aka Turkey used to word "infidel" not only to describe non-believers but also to label someone as subhuman or racially inferior. Basically its racist to call someone an infidel. Infidel was what Armenians where labeled with during the 1915 genocide of christians. Its as derogatory as the N word but many don't seem to care as long as the racist word is not aimed at people of color.

Basically I condone racism because hate from one side tend to reinforce the hate from the other side and the cycle continues. I think both sides whether christian and muslim should be given a neutral footing to disallow imbalance from both sides.

As of now it seems that the Pan-Turanian thing is starting to get out of hand with more and more showing support for crazy fellows like the Iranian pres and Bin Laden. I see more bad coming from a Pan-Turanian movement then good because many of the websites made by these guys don't sound peaceful to other ethnicities at all and hostile to anyone who disagrees.

Not all terrorists are invented by Bush. 99% of the Pan-Turanians and the Grey Wolves seem to be acting on their own free will even before America became a country. I can't stress this enough but there does exist some racist folks with quite a bit of political leverage whos only goal is to destroy those they consider racially inferior. With a population this huge, weirdos of any type imaginable exists sadly.

As odd as this whole post may sound, it is not conjured up. I only collected together what I searched through and sumerized it here. I noticed in the media recently that support for fundamentalists has gone up, but I don't think this is very constructive anti-U.S. protest method.

While I do like the idea of cultural unity, but once any organization starts mentioning things such as "racial superiority" and "racial inferiority" and "revising history" that is where I draw the line. This is not constructive. Besides such hateful thoughts being drilled into people isn't healthy, in both mind and body.




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#2 11 years ago

Are you trying to stimulate discussion? Or are you just ranting?

P.S. Not a flame, a serious question.




Kommit

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#3 11 years ago

Adamus;4024625Are you trying to stimulate discussion? Or are you just ranting?

P.S. Not a flame, a serious question.

Stimulating Discussion.




Adamus

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#4 11 years ago

All I see is a -lot- of text, unorganized and disorderly.

You may want to try trimming you're statements, people don't want to read that much simply to reply with 'yes or no'.

On top of that... I don't see a question...




Kommit

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#5 11 years ago

Adamus;4024636All I see is a -lot- of text, unorganized and disorderly.

You may want to try trimming you're statements, people don't want to read that much simply to reply with 'yes or no'.

On top of that... I don't see a question...

I just want to hear your thoughts.




Metall_pingwin

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#6 11 years ago

You need to rewrite that, keep it more brief and organised, that way more people will actually read it.




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#7 11 years ago

I know the SS used Muslims from the Balkans. Not sure about Muslims from anywhere else.




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#8 11 years ago

I dont get it :| are you trying to say muslims are banding together to kill americans and dance around because we along with europeans and as far as japan are the same fmaily.....and...yeah im lost :\




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#9 11 years ago

I think this text is mostly an unlucky combination of facts that makes it look as if there is some sort of threat. Sure, Turkey has it's problems and fundamenalistic religions are annoying, but then again muslims served on both sides in WWII (I guess mostly in the French army since they had so many colonies in Africa at that time) while a lot of different cultures readily accepted fascim when it arrived. Neonazism also occurs in other countries except for Turkey and Germany, Russia, for example, has a lot of ultra-nationalists that behave just as skinheads in Germany do (or worse).

As for the question what would happen if all muslim nations united their navies - I think they still wouldn't come up with anything that could seriously threaten the US. Enough to defend their coasts maybe, but they don't really have the capabilites to project their interests over long ranges with aircraft-carriers and the like.




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#10 11 years ago

never ceases to amaze me the amount of slavic neo-nazis there are in the world. Do they not know history and Hitlers ideas about slavs or what?




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