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SpiderGoat

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#1 13 years ago

So says Science. They discovered a new 13 million year old skeletion, of what they think is the ancestor of man and apes.

Fossil Find Sheds Light on Great Ape Ancestry

Researchers in Barcelona, Spain, say they have uncovered a relatively complete fossil of one of the earliest great apes, the category that includes human beings. A report published today in the journal Science describes the new species, Pierolapithecus catalaunicas, which lived between 12.5 and 13 million years ago. Apes diverged from monkeys near the beginning of the Miocene epoch about 25 million years ago. Around 19 million years ago, the great apes then parted ways with the lesser apes, a group that includes modern gibbons. Dozens of species of great apes lived during the Miocene, but only humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans remain.

The new fossil includes parts of a skull that has a rather vertical face, as well as other bones that show features characteristic of great apes. For example, the highly curved rib bones indicate that Pierolapithecus had a broad flat chest and its shoulder blades were on its back rather than on the side of the chest as in monkeys. These features, together with a flexible wrist joint, are thought to help in swinging from branches. Although the specimen has short fingers similar to those of monkeys, its discoverer Salvador Moyà-Solà of the M. Crusafont Institute of Paleontology and his colleagues propose that long fingers like those of great apes may have evolved later. Like modern great apes, Pierolapithecus's lower back was short and stiff, which is suggestive of an upright posture.




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#2 13 years ago

A link and a picture would be helpful...otherwise the "special" creationists here will just continue doubting you. Keep up the good work!




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#3 13 years ago

Dr. SpiderGoat, you sure know a lot about well... um... mankind exsistence?




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#4 13 years ago

duh, the earth isn't even that old!! duh... :rolleyes:

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#5 13 years ago

:)

You can find a picture on http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=000724B7-71E6-119B-B1E683414B7FFE9F, but I fear that the creationist will call it a hoax anyway. (Do note that they are not sure whether this is THE common ancestor yet, it is another piece of the puzzle though.)




AzH

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#6 13 years ago

the 'missing link' ??

could be just what we've been looking for all these years.




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#7 13 years ago

Azh, you're God, you should of known all of this.

On topic : I don't really believe that we evolved from Apes. We may be close to them, but then again.. many fish have the same features also.




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#8 13 years ago

LOL @ AzH :lol: Well it still is a new find, I think we should wait and see what further tests and second opinions show. :nodding:




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#9 13 years ago
pathfinder We may be close to them, but then again.. many fish have the same features also.

You mean 'a broad flat chest' and 'flexible wrist joint'?




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#10 13 years ago
SpiderGoatYou mean 'a broad flat chest' and 'flexible wrist joint'?

All I'm doing is saying that apes and humans have as many features as the different species and branches of fish.