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#21 16 years ago

That is not what conservatism literally means in the United States. Most conservatives I know are against abortion, for gun ownership, for the death penalty, things like that.




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#22 16 years ago

freedom!!!! for everyone




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#23 16 years ago
So, you believe that the correct thing to do is sit back while you get a report that a nation known to be hostile to yours wants to attack you or your allies and has the intention of creating weapons of mass destruction and has shown a willingness to use those weapons against their enemies?

i belive in not making hasty decisions ,

you should have got some reliable information befor jumping into the war, lol




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#24 16 years ago

Your state of disillusionment greatly surprises me Ged, because you have become wrapped up in some world way above cloud nine; you need a sense of reality.

Ged Are you really so arrogant as to suggest we have the right to impose on all the countries of the world our own way of life? [/QUOTE] Nice strawman argument. Now, I take it you don't even know what that is, so allow me to define it for you. I make claim "a", you make claim "b" about my claim "a". You disprove of your claim "b" and assume it applies to my claim "a", while infact it has nothing to do with it. Try again.
Ged It's democracy in your own image. [/QUOTE] Wrong, it is not my own image of democracy, it is the image of democracy:
www.dictionary.comde·moc·ra·cy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-mkr-s) n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies 1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives. 2. A political or social unit that has such a government. 3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power. 4. Majority rule. 5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community. [/QUOTE]
Gedthere is no longer a need to retain representative government when we can govern ourselves.
You obviously do not want to admit it, but what you seek is anarchy. [Quote=www.dictionary.com]an·ar·chy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nr-k) n. pl. an·ar·chies 1. Absence of any form of political authority. 2. Political disorder and confusion. 3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.
You wish to reverse what our fore fathers died for after declaring their independence on July 4, 1776, and throw it away to revert back to the stone age. Again, I am at a complete loss when it comes to what you are conjuring up in that brain of yours to make you think the way you do. Perhaps you had a bad day, or something happened; I really have no idea. But to be honest, you are not making any sense whatsoever. [QUOTE=Ged]no no no no no no
The entire Constitution disagrees with you. [QUOTE=Ged]Yes that sounds pretty much like 'freedom' to me too

Again, you must be on marijuana or crack cocaine to think you have no rights here in the United States. I suggest you move to North Korea since you seem to think that America is no different from any other country in the world.




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#25 16 years ago

WiseBoboYour state of disillusionment greatly surprises me Ged, because you have become wrapped up in some world way above cloud nine; you need a sense of reality. [/QUOTE]

Really worth my time answering this? No I didn’t think so either.

WiseBoboNice straw-man argument. Now, I take it you don't even know what that is, so allow me to define it for you. I make claim "a", you make claim "b" about my claim "a". You disprove of your claim "b" and assume it applies to my claim "a", while infact it has nothing to do with it. Try again. [/QUOTE]

No that is, again, your interpretation of the situation. You stated that ‘you’d sooner spend money on the foundation of democracy in another country than on your lunch.’ I stated that according to Karl Von Clausewitz 'War Therefore is an act of violence intended to compel our opponent to fulfil our will.' ( And let's face it we all know what you meant by 'the foundation of democracy.') I then went on to ask if you were arrogant enough to think you had the right to do so.

WiseBoboWrong, it is not my own image of democracy, it is the image of democracy: [/QUOTE] If you are of the opinion there is only a dictionary definition of democracy then you need to get around a bit more.
WiseBoboYou obviously do not want to admit it, but what you seek is anarchy.

an•ar•chy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nr-k) n. pl. an•ar•chies

1. Absence of any form of political authority. 2. Political disorder and confusion. 3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

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This is not what I propose. What I propose is that people become the government.

[QUOTE=WiseBobo]You wish to reverse what our fore fathers died for after declaring their independence on July 4, 1776, and throw it away to revert back to the stone age. Again, I am at a complete loss when it comes to what you are conjuring up in that brain of yours to make you think the way you do. Perhaps you had a bad day, or something happened; I really have no idea. But to be honest, you are not making any sense whatsoever.

The stone age? In many ways I do think of that as a better age, people lacked the technology to project their corrupted will far beyond their own lives. However, what I propose is the opposite, it is a natural evolution of democracy that takes the power away from elected representatives and puts it into the hands of the people.

[QUOTE=WiseBobo]The entire Constitution disagrees with you.

The constitution is often ignored.

[QUOTE=Charleston Gazette]A husband and wife who wore anti-Bush T-shirts to the president’s Fourth of July appearance aren’t going down without a fight: They will be represented by lawyers from the American Civil Liberties Union as they contest the trespassing charges against them Thursday morning in Charleston Municipal Court. Police took Nicole and Jeff Rank away in handcuffs from the event, which was billed as a presidential appearance, not a campaign rally. They were wearing T-shirts that read, "Love America, Hate Bush." Spectators who wore pro-Bush T-shirts and Bush-Cheney campaign buttons were allowed to stay.

There's your 'freedom of speech and expression' that’s what the constitution is worth when it’s not enforced. [QUOTE=WiseBobo]Again, you must be on marijuana or crack cocaine to think you have no rights here in the United States. I suggest you move to North Korea since you seem to think that America is no different from any other country in the world.

Rights are not given, when the government can send the people to war without the consent of the people what 'rights' do you have then? When the Geneva Convention ceases to apply because they are now classed as 'enemy combatants' rather than prisoners of war what 'rights' do you have then?




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#26 16 years ago

interesting point you have, but the citizens of the US have the power to draw into question the actions of the government and thus check the power




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#27 16 years ago
Ged The stone age? In many ways I do think of that as a better age, people lacked the technology to project their corrupted will far beyond their own lives. However, what I propose is the opposite, it is a natural evolution of democracy that takes the power away from elected representatives and puts it into the hands of the people.

Hmm, ever read Rousseau Ged? You should ;). I like Voltaire better though.




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#28 16 years ago

i would agree with you on voltaire