Could Darfur use a volunteer air force? 18 replies

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Crazy Wolf VIP Member

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#1 12 years ago

I was reading recently about how Sudan's government has stepped up the violence against the blacks in the Darfur region. A question that has been in my mind since the beginning of my knowledge of the conflict popped to the surface again. I wonder why there is no force of outside mercenaries or idealogues who decide to take up arms and fight the janjaweed. Considering most of the equipment the Sudanese air force uses is old Soviet equipment(and not the cool stuff like the Flanker or Fulcrum, I mean stuff like the Fishbed[MiG-21] and helicopters like the Mi-8 and Hind.) Are there no individuals wiling to assemble a small army or air force, and help the inhabitants of Darfur defend themselves? There must be plenty of shoulder-fired SAMS that could be acquired, to help against the aerial assualt, and there must be some decent planes that are now obsolete, but could put up a fight against the Sudanese air force. An army would be able to find plenty of old equipment of all kinds, probably everything short of armor. In the Spanish Civil War, there were volunteeers who were willing to fight against what they knew was wrong, against horrible odd. In Biafra, there were volunteers who were willing to fight what they knew was wrong, against horrible odds. Why not in Darfur?




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#2 12 years ago
Crazy WolfI was reading recently about how Sudan's government has stepped up the violence against the blacks in the Darfur region. A question that has been in my mind since the beginning of my knowledge of the conflict popped to the surface again. I wonder why there is no force of outside mercenaries or idealogues who decide to take up arms and fight the janjaweed. Considering most of the equipment the Sudanese air force uses is old Soviet equipment(and not the cool stuff like the Flanker or Fulcrum, I mean stuff like the Fishbed[MiG-21] and helicopters like the Mi-8 and Hind.) Are there no individuals wiling to assemble a small army or air force, and help the inhabitants of Darfur defend themselves? There must be plenty of shoulder-fired SAMS that could be acquired, to help against the aerial assualt, and there must be some decent planes that are now obsolete, but could put up a fight against the Sudanese air force. An army would be able to find plenty of old equipment of all kinds, probably everything short of armor. In the Spanish Civil War, there were volunteeers who were willing to fight against what they knew was wrong, against horrible odd. In Biafra, there were volunteers who were willing to fight what they knew was wrong, against horrible odds. Why not in Darfur?

i think we should learn from the past on this one. dount give them more weapons. we gave shoulder fired SAMs to rebels in afghanistan, and now look. ive heard of them trying to shoot down an airliner with it. one thing i see is never supply weapons to them. because after the war the people still have the weapons and thats how civil wars, genocide, and other mass killings start. Never hand out weapons to people in third world countrys. remember that.




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#3 12 years ago

No, I am curious if, instead of giving the starved, ragged inhabitants of Darfur advanced weapons, assisting in arming and training mercenary groups or groups who are dedicated to halting the violence in Darfur. Unofficially, of course.




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#4 12 years ago
I was reading recently about how Sudan's government has stepped up the violence against the blacks in the Darfur region.

Everybody in the region is black dude. Its against the black christians.




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*moved to the pub*




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#6 12 years ago
czech speacial forcesi think we should learn from the past on this one. dount give them more weapons. we gave shoulder fired SAMs to rebels in afghanistan, and now look. ive heard of them trying to shoot down an airliner with it. one thing i see is never supply weapons to them. because after the war the people still have the weapons and thats how civil wars, genocide, and other mass killings start. Never hand out weapons to people in third world countrys. remember that.

The shelf life of a FIM-92 Stinger's battery is a few years, at most.

In other words, unless they somehow stole new batteries from the US, the Stingers we gave to the Afghanis in the 1980s were not used against us. More likely, on the other hand, was the use of Russian built 9K34 Strela II, or even the older 9K32 Sterla I, of which many systems would be available, due to the fact that the Soviet Union sent many abroad.




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#7 12 years ago

Ma DeuceThe shelf life of a FIM-92 Stinger's battery is a few years, at most.

In other words, unless they somehow stole new batteries from the US, the Stingers we gave to the Afghanis in the 1980s were not used against us. More likely, on the other hand, was the use of Russian built 9K34 Strela II, or even the older 9K32 Sterla I, of which many systems would be available, due to the fact that the Soviet Union sent many abroad.

The US tried to recollect the unused Stingers after Afghanistan but 16 apparently found their way to Iran which now manufactures their own version without liscence.




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#8 12 years ago

I've heard a bit about that before, would you happen to know if they made any improvements on the system?

If I remember correctly, the Army is going to withdraw the Stinger from service. Can't recall if they are going to replace it, or just rely more on the air force and other air defense artillery weapons, like the Patriot and Linebacker.




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#9 12 years ago

So, how effective are the SA-7s that are still in circulation against Hinds or Fishbeds?




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#10 12 years ago

There a re rebels in darfur..I think Sudan is doing the right thing by fighting them. And It hink this dosent have to do with religion as much as it is tribal/region politics..MOST of african wars are around tribes and lands, and regions. you cant just get alot o fpeople in darfur and try to make a new nation out of it.

by the way most people under north african arab countries are black, even some IN those arab countries are native blacks. And sudanese people..the 'muslims' if you want to go by religion, are just as black as any other sudani in the country.

I happen to like the Mig-21 Fishbed alot :P very verstile still to this day(well I dont think it would do good against Gripens, Typhoons, F/A 22, etc.) All depends on the pilot too, cant be just purely based on the aircraft alone.




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