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Bobindashadows

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#21 10 years ago
Ronald_Jesch;4754052Or kill everything that breathes and suppress what's left over. But you can't do that because it's morally wrong and the world would hate you for it.

if you make the population love you for it then your cool/




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#22 10 years ago

Turkey has a number of problems ranging from the Kurdish situation in their southeastern ramparts, the border controversy with Armenia, and Cyprus. All of these three are among their larger problems alongside with human rights issues in their attempts for EU membership. They've been trying to fix that though. Anyone who looks at Turkey knows that while they've bragged about their "secularism", the military has a large amount of control in their day to day affairs, and has launched coups, the most powerful and long-lasting one in the early 1980s. It used to be they could arrest you for mentioning simply words, or speaking a banned language. Their constitution, I believe, allows the government full power to deal with those who they deem of "un-Turkish" activities.

Cyprus can't really do much though, as it is unfeasible to split it into two parts. Turkey recognizes the Government of North Cyprus, but it is the only one to do so. Greece is intimately involved with this as well, and the main reason why no one has thoroughly addressed the case was that they didn't want to bring up an uncomfortable situation with two important NATO allies, especially during the Cold War.

However, do not discuss this with a Turkish or Greek person as they are bound to rip your heart out. Cyprus is one of their stages for the long-running Turkish-Greek fueds, and the Cypriots are caught in this nationalist-charged fight.




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#23 10 years ago
Never Surrender;4753374True. On Further research, nothing is done as Turkey has one of the world largest Armies, with modern Equipment. also its a trade partner. And also the USA and many western countries consider it one of their Allies (even though its a lousy alliance, I mean, im no fan of the US/UK in Iraq, however if Turkey allowed their bases to be used for the invasion it would have stopped many weapons and the more Islamist members of the Iraqi army fleeing and hooking up with insurgents, stopping alot more death, seen as US (The major world power) activally ignore their Illegal invasion, seemed the least they could do) Ive also been trying to find opinions from Turks, most ive contacted, seem to think they legally own the north and see their occupation army and the illegal influx of mainland turks is legitimate. Turkey claims to be a secular democratic nation, yet to me, they seem to be some kind of psuedo "Democratic-Dictatorship" if that makes any sense.[/quote] "Democratic-Dictatorship" ? we were having hard times in those years and somethings had to be happened in hard times ... so we're not kind of psuedo "Democratic-Dictatorship" . Democratic only.
Dr. Awesome;4753463I really don't see the worth in Cyprus in the first place.[/quote] cause you're not Turkish.

Dr. Awesome;4753501I'll consider it "wrong" since they wasted their time. :lol:

NO WAY!!!

Listen buddy, ppl died in that war, it is not waste of time.

[quote=Commissar MercZ;4758391]Turkey has a number of problems ranging from the Kurdish situation in their southeastern ramparts, the border controversy with Armenia, and Cyprus. All of these three are among their larger problems alongside with human rights issues in their attempts for EU membership. They've been trying to fix that though. Anyone who looks at Turkey knows that while they've bragged about their "secularism", the military has a large amount of control in their day to day affairs, and has launched coups, the most powerful and long-lasting one in the early 1980s. It used to be they could arrest you for mentioning simply words, or speaking a banned language. Their constitution, I believe, allows the government full power to deal with those who they deem of "un-Turkish" activities.

those years are dark times for us :(

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However, do not discuss this with a Turkish or Greek person as they are bound to rip your heart out.

lol dont be afraid, i wont rip ur heart out.




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#24 10 years ago
tolga;4763986"Democratic-Dictatorship" ? we were having hard times in those years and somethings had to be happened in hard times ... so we're not kind of psuedo "Democratic-Dictatorship" . Democratic only.

Yeah, But the thing i dont understand about talking to Turks is the mindset, Alot of Turks seem to agree with things the rest of the world see as void, like the Cyprus invasion, its done now and it cant be changed back, but to actually think it was not an illegal invasion by Turkey is flawed, only Turks seem to think they are right, however they invaded Cyprus with an excuse, just how Americans and British found an excuse to invade Iraq( however most Britons and American public seem to not agree with illegal invasions, but you Turk public all agree with your illegal invasion), like how years ago, Russia found an excuse to invade Afghanistan. Theres nothing wrong with pride and some patriotism (If it was, id be a hypocrite), but to be blinded by it is foolish. Who knows, maybe I am natrualy bias without really realising it, prehaps i automatically take the Greek Cypriots side because they are fellow Christians, prehaps some elements of this are true, I am my own worst enemy, but at least i can see my faults and unintentional bias when i actually think about it in deep......................................can you?




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#25 10 years ago
Never Surrender;4765684Yeah, But the thing i dont understand about talking to Turks is the mindset, Alot of Turks seem to agree with things the rest of the world see as void, like the Cyprus invasion, its done now and it cant be changed back, but to actually think it was not an illegal invasion by Turkey is flawed, only Turks seem to think they are right, however they invaded Cyprus with an excuse, just how Americans and British found an excuse to invade Iraq( however most Britons and American public seem to not agree with illegal invasions, but you Turk public all agree with your illegal invasion), like how years ago, Russia found an excuse to invade Afghanistan. Theres nothing wrong with pride and some patriotism (If it was, id be a hypocrite), but to be blinded by it is foolish. Who knows, maybe I am natrualy bias without really realising it, prehaps i automatically take the Greek Cypriots side because they are fellow Christians, prehaps some elements of this are true, I am my own worst enemy, but at least i can see my faults and unintentional bias when i actually think about it in deep......................................can you?

everyone can see his/her faults and unintentional but someones keep these deeper because of some causes. u cant understand it cause you're not Turkish,i keep my faults and unintentional in deeper ...




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#26 10 years ago
tolga;4765797everyone can see his/her faults and unintentional but someones keep these deeper because of some causes. u cant understand it cause you're not Turkish,i keep my faults and unintentional in deeper ...

Thats a cop out if ever i heard one, you always say "you dont understand, you are not Turkish", We can still look up sources, ask opinions, see news from worldwide or the country in the limelight. Funny, the world comments on what us Brits, Western Europe and especially the Americans do, yet we dont always say "You cant understand. you're not British", "Western European" or "American"




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#27 10 years ago

ok i'm out. Nice debate ppl.




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#28 10 years ago
tolga;4765873ok i'm out.

You mean you're not staying? Pity.




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#29 10 years ago
Never Surrender;4765877You mean you're not staying? Pity.

pity ... erg ... no. i just dont want to talk ppl like u cause i know that u will take this subject far away. have a good luck :)




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#30 10 years ago
tolga;4765885pity ... erg ... no. i just dont want to talk ppl like u cause i know that u will take this subject far away. have a good luck :)

Now Now, do not be offended! Without you there is no alternative opinion! seriously though, anwer somethings! 1. Do you think the 1974 invasion was rightful for Turkey to do? 2. Do you think the Nation should Unite? 3 what can you Turkish do to build bridges for the future?