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#1 11 years ago

Date set for smoking ban in Enclosed public places

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BBC NewsSmoking in enclosed public places will be banned in England from 1 July next year, the government has announced. The ban covers virtually all enclosed public places including offices, factories, pubs and bars, but not outdoors or in private homes. It follows similar bans in the Irish Republic and Scotland - a ban in Wales starts on 2 April. Ministers say it will protect everyone from passive smoking, but opponents say the total ban is "draconian". From 1 July pubs and restaurants will have to display prominent "no smoking" signs around their premises. Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt said the ban was a "huge step forward" which would save thousands of people's lives. The cost of implementing the ban has been estimated at about £50m. Medical evidence Ms Hewitt said the ban would protect everyone from second-hand smoke, while making it easier for smokers to quit. "The scientific and medical evidence is clear - second-hand smoke kills, causing a range of serious medical conditions including lung cancer, heart disease, and sudden infant death syndrome," she said. "This legislation will help to prevent the unnecessary deaths caused every year from second-hand smoke, and recognises that there is absolutely no safe level of exposure." SMOKING BANS Irish Republic: March 2004 Scotland: March 2006 Northern Ireland: April 2007 Wales: April 2007 England: July 2007 The government predicts about 600,000 people will give up smoking as a result of the law change. The news was welcomed by health campaigners. Dame Helena Shovelton, chief executive of the British Lung Foundation, said: "This is a victory for all those of us who have campaigned so vigorously to improve public health." She said it would reduce the death toll linked to smoking and that tens of thousands of people with lung disease would once again be able to visit pubs and restaurants. Cancer Research UK chief, Prof Alex Markham, said 1 July would be an "historic day". "Making workplaces and enclosed public places smoke free will bring about some of the most significant health improvements the country has seen in decades," he said. British Beer and Pub Association boss, Rob Hayward, welcomed the announcement, saying it gave businesses "greater clarity" and would allow them to prepare their customers for the changes. The Cabinet originally proposed prohibiting smoking only in pubs serving food, in line with Labour's election manifesto - but MPs eventually backed a total ban in enclosed public spaces in a free vote. Simon Clark, director of the smokers' lobby group Forest, said that decision had been "draconian". "From July next year it will not only be illegal to smoke in every pub, club and bar in the country, it will also be impossible to set up a private club run by smokers for smokers," he said. "That's an amazing state of affairs but typical of a government that seems determined to interfere in every aspect of our daily lives." The health secretary is also launching a Smokefree England campaign, to advise England's 3.7m businesses to prepare for the ban.

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For starters they have estimated that about 600,000 people will give up smoking as a result of the law change, now come on are you being serious just because the powers that be decide to change the laws doesnt mean that people are going to change there lifestyle. At this point in time i have to point out that i myself am not a smoker but i understand what they go through, they have a hard enough time as it is from the government and society with such things as taxes and pressure to enforce this ban to help make our country a healthier place to live. This is a free country right why cant we let people do what they want.

"Making workplaces and enclosed public places smoke free will bring about some of the most significant health improvements the country has seen in decades,"

again i have to disagree with this statement,however hard society or the government try to change peoples lifestyle to help there health they still face even bigger hurdles such as obesity and cancer. As i can gather from a few sources it seems that many mainland European countries already have this legislation in place, so is this just another government ploy to try to fall in line?




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#2 11 years ago

well they should be able to do as they want, but smoke does get anoying when it blows your way. *waits for swede's post.




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#3 11 years ago

I personally believe smoking should be banned, but only in true public spaces. Places like meuseums, libraries, government buildings, and other places like that. But banning smoking in pubs and taverns? Ridiculous! Resteraunt ban I can understand but a Pub is practically designed for smoking!




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Elmo;3398015 again i have to disagree with this statement,however hard society or the government try to change peoples lifestyle to help there health they still face even bigger hurdles such as obesity and cancer. As i can gather from a few sources it seems that many mainland European countries already have this legislation in place, so is this just another government ploy to try to fall in line?

I read some weeks ago that the smoking ban in pubs lead to less health problems among workers after only a short time. The article was on BBC, but I can't find it right now. Another study claims that the ban even lead to increased customer numbers (http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/story.asp?j=4359).

Maybe this won't be a reason for people to stop smoking, but it probably won't be as popular anymore which might reduce the number of addicts in the future.

I'm all for banning smoking in public places, people can knock themselves out at home if they want to, but I don't like the smell of smoke while eating. We don't have such legislation in Germany yet, but I guess it's only a matter of time.




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#5 11 years ago
MrFancypants;3398181I read some weeks ago that the smoking ban in pubs lead to less health problems among workers after only a short time. The article was on BBC, but I can't find it right now. Another study claims that the ban even lead to increased customer numbers (http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/story.asp?j=4359). Maybe this won't be a reason for people to stop smoking, but it probably won't be as popular anymore which might reduce the number of addicts in the future. I'm all for banning smoking in public places, people can knock themselves out at home if they want to, but I don't like the smell of smoke while eating. We don't have such legislation in Germany yet, but I guess it's only a matter of time.

those pubs that have no air circulation and the air is full of smoke, are crazy. the building might as well be burning. my clothes smelled so bad after going in one, had to clean them after they had just been washed.




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#6 11 years ago

It should be banned in true public places like goverment owned buildings, churches, museaums, ect. Privatly owned businesses should not have to follow the ban though. It is their property, they can make the rules regading smoking as they wish. If you let them make their own decisions, smoker friendly, and non-smoker friendly bars will come about. Both sides will be happy, and the goverment will have one less thing to meddle in.




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#7 11 years ago
czech speacial forces;3398250those pubs that have no air circulation and the air is full of smoke, are crazy. the building might as well be burning. my clothes smelled so bad after going in one, had to clean them after they had just been washed.

And drinking all of that alcohol is really good for you too. :moon:

A pub/club is a place to enjoy vice. Why remove that right? It should be the business's choice to allow smoking or not. The government should butt out!

First security cameras everywhere and now this ban? England sure has a hold over their people...:(




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#8 11 years ago

Yeah, the smoking ban here has improved pubs' and clubs' customer numbers. Actually, today is the 2nd anniversary of the smoking ban here, and people have gotten used to it.




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#9 11 years ago

I agree with the ban on smoking in public places, as well as in pubs. The evidence against smoking is there, I see no reason why it shouldn't be phased out. If it only affected the smoker then fine, but people have to breathe other people's smoke if they do it in some public places.




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#10 11 years ago

Aye. Our wise leaders know whats best for us, even if we don't know it. The government is more like a stereotypical Jewish soccer mom than a republican system now. You can't eat that junior! Too many calories! And hurry up! You're late for your piano lessons! Look how far many Western governments have gone. The people are too stupid to handle guns right, so we have to ban them. The people can't take care of themselves, so we need to install video cameras everywhere. The people can't make health decisions responsibly, so we have to make the decisions for them. :rolleyes: Reminds me of that Onion parody: "Supreme Court rules The People unfit to rule."